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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Interesting analysis here.

    "On February 6, 2011, Egypt's hastily appointed vice president, Omar Suleiman, invited in the old guard - or what we could call the Businessman's Wing of the Muslim Brotherhood into a stately meeting in the polished rosewood cabinet chamber of Mubarak’s presidential palace. The aim of their tea party was to discuss some kind of accord that would end the national uprising and restore "normalcy". When news of the meeting broke, expressions of delight and terror tore through the blogosphere. Was the nightmare scenario of both the political left and right about to be realised? Would the US/Israel surrogate Suleiman merge his military-police apparatus with the power of the more conservative branch of the old Islamist social movement? Hearing the news, Iran’s supreme leader sent his congratulations. And in the US, Glenn Beck and John McCain ranted with glee about world wars and the inevitable rise of the cosmic caliphate.

    On that same day, an unnamed White House official told the Associated Press that any "academic type" who did not focus on the Muslim Brotherhood and see them as the principle actor in this drama "was full of sh*t". The White House seemed to believe that Suleiman, chief of Egypt’s intelligence services, was the kind of keen mind they could depend on. Suleiman’s brand of "intelligence" was on display in his interview on February 3, in which he traced the cause of Egypt’s uprising to a conspiracy coordinated by a united front of Israel with Hamas, al-Qaeda with Anderson Cooper. Is it true that Suleiman also has a dossier revealing the sinister role played in all this by "Simpsons" character C Montgomery Burns? ..."

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    This man was totured until he agreed to say that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were in bed together and that Hussein was giving them WMDs. Suleiman, as the point man in this torture to obtain the false intel which helped propel us into the Iraq War, is the CIA's dream of heading up Egypt, because they can control him. He is a Neocon and Neoliberal wet dream. However, if we help to install him as the head of Egypt, we do two things.

    1) We are circumventing the will of the people of Egypt, the vast majority which vehemently oppose him.

    2) We are also setting ourselves up for another episode of "blowback", sometime in the future, when we will become so hated that the radical Islamic fundies will end up controlling the country. Don't forget how our overthrow of a democratically elected president in Iran, and the installation of the Shah, eventually led to exactly this same type of scenario.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I think a deal with Suleiman was implicit in the appointment.
    But 'some elements' may be a good size majority. And they will at least want Their money back.
    And after ie, a September election someone is going to be under alot of pressure to do something.

    Even if Mubarak was to make a public speech saying he is stepping down 'for Egypt and doesn't want recrimination', there's going to be significant demands.. if not for the ultimate hanging.
    While demands to 'punish' President Mubarak might be articulated by some members of Egypt's public and perhaps members of future governments, I doubt that the government would pursue any such endeavors. Moreover, it remains to be seen how much of the estimated $2-$3 billion that President Mubarak might have accumulated during his tenure in power will be pursued, much less taken back. Estimates that his wealth is magnitudes of order larger than that are probably speculative. In the end, I doubt that the transitional government and, perhaps more importantly, the military would allow things to evolve to the point where the campaign for political change would mutate into little more than a pursuit of vengeance against the former President.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    While demands to 'punish' President Mubarak might be articulated by some members of Egypt's public and perhaps members of future governments, I doubt that the government would pursue any such endeavors. Moreover, it remains to be seen how much of the estimated $2-$3 billion that President Mubarak might have accumulated during his tenure in power will be pursued, much less taken back. Estimates that his wealth is magnitudes of order larger than that are probably speculative. In the end, I doubt that the transitional government and, perhaps more importantly, the military would allow things to evolve to the point where the campaign for political change would mutate into little more than a pursuit of vengeance against the former President.
    If there's even a hint that he'll be prosecuted or punished in any way, he will flee the country.

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    Only those in Egypt can determine the ultimate fate of democratic ideals in that country. But democracy in Egypt may not be consistent with the short term and mid term interests of the American people. But democracy there might be consistent with the long term interests of the American people. In any event, democracy in Egypt is unlikely to look like Western democracies.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    It now appears that he is going to try to stay in office until September elections. The protesters will not be happy. The military will likely have to make a choice, if the protests continue. What that choice will be remains to be seen.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It now appears that he is going to try to stay in office until September elections. The protesters will not be happy. The military will likely have to make a choice, if the protests continue. What that choice will be remains to be seen.
    Once the army gets it's hands on the reins, they're going to have a hard time letting them go.
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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    he spoke this afternoon

    Rage in Egypt as Mubarak hangs on | Reuters

    mubarak is playing the entire free world like a collective sucker

    the unfree world, mature as machiavelli, is typically not playing its hand, characteristically inscrutable

    as if the pros on our side of the divide don't know what THAT means

    who, by the way, is leader of the free world?

    that's right, there is none

    embarrassed yet?

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Once the army gets it's hands on the reins, they're going to have a hard time letting them go.
    Yep because they definitely want all that public anger to be redirected at them...

    They weren't prepared to kill before. If they take power, it's what they'll have to do to keep it, and they know it.

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    Re: Egypt's Mubarak to step down

    Holy **** buddy. You're going to put your country through all kinds of strife just to save face for a few months? What a pathetic piece of US supported and funded trash.

    The public has spoken. GTFO!

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