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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Taliban actually ran the government in Afghanistan. Your comparison is erroneous.
    Yes, "ran" the government, so your case in point is irrelevant to the now. Even so never to the degree that they could control the army and attack targets. They certainly had many paid off and corrupt officials under the guise of Democracy in the Afghan government but i wouldn't use that word so lightly.

    The Viet Cong was never anything resembling a national army.
    Maybe not an advanced or particularly well equipped one, no.


    The Taliban will attack in force, if they are assured of a victory. If you put weapons in the hands of the locals, the Tallies will definitely attack them in force.
    Not in areas they dont control they cant. They couldn't maneuver that many people now even if they wanted too.
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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Yes, "ran" the government, so your case in point is irrelevant to the now. Even so never to the degree that they could control the army and attack targets. They certainly had many paid off and corrupt officials under the guise of Democracy in the Afghan government but i wouldn't use that word so lightly.
    They're far more advanced and orginized than the Viet Cong were during Vietnam.



    Maybe not an advanced or particularly well equipped one, no.
    Not one, period. The VC ceased exist as a fighting force in 1968. It was after the defeat of the Communists during the Tet Offensive, that Giap began his transition to a totally conventional force.




    Not in areas they dont control they cant. They couldn't maneuver that many people now even if they wanted too.
    Yes, they can. Especially, if there aren't any American forces there to interdict their movements.
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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes and what's happening in Afghanistan isn't what we did in Iraq.
    In Iraq, those councils came to us. It was there movement before it was ours. However, while not exactly the same situation, we did give weapons to the councils, and we're giving guns to the villiages. So, while I accept there are differences, I think there are similarities as well.

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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In Iraq, those councils came to us. It was there movement before it was ours. However, while not exactly the same situation, we did give weapons to the councils, and we're giving guns to the villiages.
    There it is. There's a great divide between, "volunteers", and, "recruits".

    So, while I accept there are differences, I think there are similarities as well.
    Apples and oranges have similarities, too.
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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There it is. There's a great divide between, "volunteers", and, "recruits".



    Apples and oranges have similarities, too.
    True. Both both are getting weapons and both are risks.

    And while apples and oranges are different. If I cut both up, there is a similarity. If I give both a dose poison, that would be a similarity I'd want to know about.

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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're far more advanced and orginized than the Viet Cong were during Vietnam..
    Absolute nonsense, the Vietcong and Vietminh were an extremely effective fighting force. They caused more American casualties, and if one looks to the organization of the ho chi Minh trail, you'll find your assertion highly incorrect.

    No doubt since you served in niether war and don't seem too adept at history.

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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Its a good move on behalf of the US army. Turkey put in a system not long ago that recruited villagers in the East and armed them to protect their villages from the PKK. They gave them a wage and resources to protect themselves during an attack. It saw a large surge of violence as recruits clashed with members of the outlawed group, but naturally the numbers started to decline and they where forced to mass there operations outside of Turkey in Iraq since they lost support in their base region.

    I think arming village recruits will contribute significantly against the war on terrorism in Afghanistan.

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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The American left would never approve of this sort of thing.
    They never accepted it here either.
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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're far more advanced and orginized than the Viet Cong were during Vietnam.
    Rubbish.

    Yes, they can. Especially, if there aren't any American forces there to interdict their movements.
    NATO forces will remain to help Afghanistan rebuild. They wont just dissipate after 2011. And how do you expect them to maneuver large amounts of men across rugged Afghan terrain and loot villages without alerting locals? As i said, a radio system can also be used so that the locals can warn local security forces and an alarm system when the need arises. Nobody is saying throw them a gun and a few magazines and wish them the best. The whole point is for the government to assert some control and security over the nation.

    Maybe the Taliban wouldn't be so successful if your average Afghan man enjoyed the same second amendment rights as you?
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    Re: US to arm village recruits in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Absolute nonsense, the Vietcong and Vietminh were an extremely effective fighting force. They caused more American casualties, and if one looks to the organization of the ho chi Minh trail, you'll find your assertion highly incorrect.
    You couldn't be more wrong. Especially, if you're suggesting that the Viet Cong and the Viet Minh operated jointly.

    No doubt since you served in niether war and don't seem too adept at history.
    Oh really? Hows about you tell us all about those Viet Minh operations launched against American forces. This oughta be good.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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