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    House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    The Republican-led House failed to pass an extension of expiring sections of the Patriot Act on Tuesday, an unexpected setback for GOP leaders that shows the difficulty they face in controlling their majority and its "tea party"-inspired members.
    If this is GOP incompetence, then damn it, give me more. Who knows? If the GOP is incompetent enough, it might just end up reversing ALL the bad decisions by Bush AND Obama both.

    New GOP motto - Restoring America to the people through incompetence.

    They just got my vote. Death to the Patriot Act. Incompetence rules.

    Article is here.
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    Granted a victory for us but this isnt over, not by a long shot Dana. This piece of **** legislation should be brought the tallest active volcano, tied to Justin Bieber and thrown in as a sacrifice to the Gods of liberty or (insert your favorite deity here).
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    Oops, the GOP House Whip appears to have miscounted.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If this is GOP incompetence, then damn it, give me more. Who knows? If the GOP is incompetent enough, it might just end up reversing ALL the bad decisions by Bush AND Obama both.

    New GOP motto - Restoring America to the people through incompetence.

    They just got my vote. Death to the Patriot Act. Incompetence rules.

    Article is here.
    This will almost certainly pass eventually. However, it's going to be open to amendments, so the Democrats are in position to get an extra rider or two out of this, it seems.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If this is GOP incompetence, then damn it, give me more. Who knows? If the GOP is incompetent enough, it might just end up reversing ALL the bad decisions by Bush AND Obama both.

    New GOP motto - Restoring America to the people through incompetence. They just got my vote. Death to the Patriot Act. Incompetence rules.

    Article is here.
    I'm glad they failed, but they'll try to bring it to the floor again. They really only have a one track mind.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Oops, the GOP House Whip appears to have miscounted.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    I know I am in a minority here but I don't have the knee jerk reaction to everything associated with the Patriot Act that most seem to have. It is folly and also a little arrogant to think we can go on living like 9/11 never happen and that freedom of movement and privacy can be defined the same way. We stand at the peak of a hill where the slope is slippery down both sides. It is sad that freedom doesn't mean and cannot mean what it did 10, 20 or 30 years ago but we have to get over it. U.S. citizens have been well protected since 9/11 and it isn't because we buried our heads in the sand. The Patriot Act represents reality. Sorry that the government has let us down on so many issues and that we don't trust them. It is the only government we have and they are charged with keeping more planes from crashing into buildings or bombs going off where we work and live. Don't take this time of relative quiet to get all haughty about the constitution on this issue. A lot of you probably **** on the Constitution and call it outdated on other issues.

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    I always got the intent of this treaty but thought it goes too far. Overall, I'd like to see less government so this failure is in the short term a good thing. If the government, who's primary duty is to protect this country, could come up with a law that protects the people without stepping on our necks to do it, that would be great. Not sure how feasible that is, but there it is. Just like Obamacare, kill this. Unlike Obamacare, replace it with something better.... there's gotta be a better way.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    First, shocker, despite all the braying and complaining over the past years the standard historical path has continued just as it has every other time despite the hyperbolic driven cries of those that opposed PATRIOT. The USA PATRIOT Act was hardly the first law or government action enacted during a time where Security had a higher premium put on it than Freedom and it won't be the last. This tradition is a bipartisan one, be it Lincoln or Roosevelt or Bush. And every time the plethora of mechanisms that are in place...the free speaking public, the free media, the democratic process, the constitutional checks and balances, and the way in which laws themselves are written with regards to sunsets...begin to strip away at these things as the balance shifts back the other way and the need for action is superceded by the need for principles.

    Second, its this kind of thing that is exactly why we SHOULDN'T remove PATRIOT alone. Even a staunchly held liberal like Russ Fiengold had admitted that over 90% of the Bill is needed, useless, good legislation. Over the past years we have proof time and time again that between the three branches of government...be it legislators not reupping sections, courts stripping away sections, or excutive not enforcing/using sections...that the questionable and/or flat out unconstitutional parts of PATRIOT will and can be stripped out from the Bill. It is better to let this happen and allow a large amount of our intelligence, defense, and general law actually remain updated to an age where a "Smartphone" isn't the work of science fiction writers and where email isn't so rare that the press wonders what an @ means.

    The vast majority of Patriot is extremely sound if not needed legislation that, due to its politicized nature now of being tied to Patriot, would likely be EXTREMELY difficult to actually get passed in the currently political climate. Far simpler and easier, as has been shown time and again, is to use the tools government has to remove the fat that happens to be on the edges of this steak to reveal the primarily lean and tasty meat that's underneath.

    We should not, in any way, willingly go back to a time where our Telecom law functions from a mentality that Technology is still stuck in the 1960's, with horrible and glaring loopholes that both could severely handcuff the government OR open it up for far wider reaching ability then it even has at times under PATRIOT.

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