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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    the patriot act passed the senate today, 86 to 12

    NationalJournal.com - Senate Passes Extension of Patriot Act Provisions - Tuesday, February 15, 2011

    remember when the adults upstairs slammed open obama's wannabe closed-door at gitmo, third month of the oblivious presidency, 90 to 6?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_205797.html

    with numbers like that, if you're not aboard you're a splinter

    should we look at rendition, now?

    in the roughouse world of realpolitik, obtuse obama never did know what he's doing

    embarrassed yet?

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If this is GOP incompetence, then damn it, give me more.
    The Patriot Act was never about patriotism. It was about a police state martial law. Now if they could only get rid of the NSA we could all go back to what it was like before the contrived political hysteria

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The CIA and FBI both failed to communicate on the monitoring of the individuals believed to be involved in the planning and execution of 9-11. There was a failing in inter as well as intra departmental communication. I dont know if utilizing modern technology and tracking phone calls to terrorist states and utilizing the provisions of the Patriot Act would have helped. I know if it helps to prevent future acts, then I am for it.

    Just out of curiosity...other than talking points about the Patriot Act, have you read it? Are you familiar with the statutes? What is different in the Patriot Act that isnt enacted in statutes utilized to fight organized crime? And again...do you know of US citizens who have been falsely prosecuted by overzealous agents utilizing the Patriot Act?

    If...IF there are abuses then they should be addressed. IF the statutes are being inappropriately applied that should be addressed. US Citizens should not have their constitutional rights violated. Non citizens are not entitled to the same protections.
    I have read a solid amount of it, but I haven't found the time to sit down and read all 342 pages. Have you?

    Here is an example of a U.S. citizen being abused: Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process :: WRAL.com

    I don't trust the federal government enough to allow search and seizure without a warrant. How long will the FBI have this power? When will the war on terror end? And when/if it does will they be willing to give it up? Might as well throw the Constitution away, fourth amendment clearly doesn't apply anymore.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I have read a solid amount of it, but I haven't found the time to sit down and read all 342 pages. Have you?

    Here is an example of a U.S. citizen being abused: Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process :: WRAL.com

    I don't trust the federal government enough to allow search and seizure without a warrant. How long will the FBI have this power? When will the war on terror end? And when/if it does will they be willing to give it up? Might as well throw the Constitution away, fourth amendment clearly doesn't apply anymore.
    Now read the facts...which is the Patriot Act hysteria is such foolishness...

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The borders arent secure for political expediency. The Obama admin is COUNTING on capitalizing on the Hispanic vote. If they secure the southern border they lose their edge. They know it. National security is at risk in the name of political expediency.
    That could be one reason for it. But I must point out that not only democrats are guilty of this. While we had a Republican majority and Republican administration the rhetoric might have been different but the inaction was the same. Both parties also allow it for other reasons related to free trade, statist profits from prosecuting our drug wars, and the reason I mentioned earlier; that they don't really care about terrorism.

    I went to the link above (Wow...just wow)...and from there went to the CATO institute. I saw several declarations of abuses of the Patriot Act...I STILL have yet to see the instances where private citizens have been targeted. I understand the concern...I truly do. And I can understand why people dont like the Patriot Act.
    Well how would we know? They have removed the constitutional method of using warrants to notify and the necessary proof to gain such warrants. They now have the right to spy on anybody just because they have a "hunch". Pardon me if I don't trust my government. It has a long record of being untrustworthy in many instances.
    However...if people still...in this day and age are not convinced that there are non-citizens here in this country illegally and with bad intent, then those people are either deluded or deliberatley ignorant. There HAS to be an effective tool in combating terrorism. And for those that think the Patriot Act is not the way, Id love to hear your answers.
    You act as if our police and feds never had any methods of investigating crime without this and that is just a lie. Terrorist acts have happened long before 9/11 and will continue to happen. How many rights are you willing to give up each time it happens?


    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Why worry about catching and arresting people who are not even here yet? Much easier to just arrest the ones that are already here, right?
    I don't oppose arresting criminals. I oppose unlawful search and seizures as defined by our constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    That could be one reason for it. But I must point out that not only democrats are guilty of this. While we had a Republican majority and Republican administration the rhetoric might have been different but the inaction was the same. Both parties also allow it for other reasons related to free trade, statist profits from prosecuting our drug wars, and the reason I mentioned earlier; that they don't really care about terrorism.

    Well how would we know? They have removed the constitutional method of using warrants to notify and the necessary proof to gain such warrants. They now have the right to spy on anybody just because they have a "hunch". Pardon me if I don't trust my government. It has a long record of being untrustworthy in many instances.

    You act as if our police and feds never had any methods of investigating crime without this and that is just a lie. Terrorist acts have happened long before 9/11 and will continue to happen. How many rights are you willing to give up each time it happens?



    I don't oppose arresting criminals. I oppose unlawful search and seizures as defined by our constitution.
    So do I...especially with regard to US Citizens. I think they should use any means necessary where terrorists are concerned. I also agree it is a bi-partisan fluff job.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That's what you get from "conservative" educational policies and/or home schooling!
    Troll much?
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The Patriot Act was never about patriotism. It was about a police state martial law. Now if they could only get rid of the NSA we could all go back to what it was like before the contrived political hysteria

    ricksfolly
    Show me the martial law that occurred. Right now!
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If this is GOP incompetence, then damn it, give me more. Who knows? If the GOP is incompetent enough, it might just end up reversing ALL the bad decisions by Bush AND Obama both.

    New GOP motto - Restoring America to the people through incompetence.

    They just got my vote. Death to the Patriot Act. Incompetence rules.

    Article is here.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    An idiotic concept, wouldn't you agree?
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