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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Great to see a bit of bipartisanship in the vote on this threat to our freedom. "Twenty-six Republicans opposed the bill, as did 122 Democrats."
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    a bit is correct

    the bipartisanship that passed the bill was, in contrast, broad---65 blues and 210 reds

    just watch what happens to the patriot act upstairs

    even oblivious obama backs it

    Obama Supports Extending Patriot Act Provisions

    Obama signs Patriot Act extension without reforms - CSMonitor.com

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Any terrorists...however we already use the RICO stautes and others (which no one seems to bitch about) when we go after organized crime, gangs, or people the ilk of Tim McVeigh. The Patriot Act as I understand it was specifically designed to target foreigners on American soil who plot, plan, fund, etc terror activities hiding under the protection of the constitution.
    The CIA and FAA were well aware of the potential of a 9/11 to take place. I don't believe the Patriot Act would have prevented 9/11. If it is designed to target foreigners it should only be applicable to foreigners. Just because they may hide under the Constitution does not mean the solution is to take away the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens. (PS: I don't think the Constitution applies to them in that regard, but I'm not positive). 9/11 is a result of what the CIA refers to as blowback. The U.S. needs to stop meddling in the Middle East. Osama Bin Laden already addressed the reasons for attacking America. There are some legitimate reasons.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    The CIA and FAA were well aware of the potential of a 9/11 to take place. I don't believe the Patriot Act would have prevented 9/11. If it is designed to target foreigners it should only be applicable to foreigners. Just because they may hide under the Constitution does not mean the solution is to take away the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens. (PS: I don't think the Constitution applies to them in that regard, but I'm not positive). 9/11 is a result of what the CIA refers to as blowback. The U.S. needs to stop meddling in the Middle East. Osama Bin Laden already addressed the reasons for attacking America. There are some legitimate reasons.
    As my grandpappy used to say..."why thats just horse****, son..."

    Muslim extremists have been slaughtering muslims and non muslims alike for decades. It has everything to do with their twisted ideology.

    That being said...OBVIOUSLY the CIA and Feebs failed to stop 9-11. Since then there have been several terror plots uncovered (domestic terrorism one of the few areas I give Obama a thumbs up on). IF there are abuses involving American citizens...and gosh...since it is so prevalent you would think there would be actual VICTIMS of wrongful prosecution via the patriot Act coming forward...then it needs to be addressed. havign NO policy to combat foreigners that engage in terrorist activities on American soil is simply sticking your head under a pillow and waiting for it to happen again.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As my grandpappy used to say..."why thats just horse****, son..."

    Muslim extremists have been slaughtering muslims and non muslims alike for decades. It has everything to do with their twisted ideology.

    That being said...OBVIOUSLY the CIA and Feebs failed to stop 9-11. Since then there have been several terror plots uncovered (domestic terrorism one of the few areas I give Obama a thumbs up on). IF there are abuses involving American citizens...and gosh...since it is so prevalent you would think there would be actual VICTIMS of wrongful prosecution via the patriot Act coming forward...then it needs to be addressed. havign NO policy to combat foreigners that engage in terrorist activities on American soil is simply sticking your head under a pillow and waiting for it to happen again.
    I have no idea why you said, "OBVIOUSLY the CIA and Feebs failed to stop 9-11". I said CIA and FAA were well aware of the potential for an attack so with that being said, how would the Patriot Act have prevented 9/11? How exactly would you address the victims of the Patriot Act? The whole thing tramples over the U.S. Constitution. It is like opening Pandora's box. My point is that these terrorists are a result of foreign policy. Change foreign policy and we won't have such a big issue with terrorist threats. Hell, why not bring home troops to help? Or perhaps we can just go into Marshall Law so we have nothing to worry about...
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    a bit is correct

    the bipartisanship that passed the bill was, in contrast, broad---65 blues and 210 reds

    just watch what happens to the patriot act upstairs

    even oblivious obama backs it

    Obama Supports Extending Patriot Act Provisions

    Obama signs Patriot Act extension without reforms - CSMonitor.com

    Great, the one thing the parties can agree on is this???
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I have no idea why you said, "OBVIOUSLY the CIA and Feebs failed to stop 9-11". I said CIA and FAA were well aware of the potential for an attack so with that being said, how would the Patriot Act have prevented 9/11? How exactly would you address the victims of the Patriot Act? The whole thing tramples over the U.S. Constitution. It is like opening Pandora's box. My point is that these terrorists are a result of foreign policy. Change foreign policy and we won't have such a big issue with terrorist threats. Hell, why not bring home troops to help? Or perhaps we can just go into Marshall Law so we have nothing to worry about...
    The CIA and FBI both failed to communicate on the monitoring of the individuals believed to be involved in the planning and execution of 9-11. There was a failing in inter as well as intra departmental communication. I dont know if utilizing modern technology and tracking phone calls to terrorist states and utilizing the provisions of the Patriot Act would have helped. I know if it helps to prevent future acts, then I am for it.

    Just out of curiosity...other than talking points about the Patriot Act, have you read it? Are you familiar with the statutes? What is different in the Patriot Act that isnt enacted in statutes utilized to fight organized crime? And again...do you know of US citizens who have been falsely prosecuted by overzealous agents utilizing the Patriot Act?

    If...IF there are abuses then they should be addressed. IF the statutes are being inappropriately applied that should be addressed. US Citizens should not have their constitutional rights violated. Non citizens are not entitled to the same protections.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I have no idea why you said, "OBVIOUSLY the CIA and Feebs failed to stop 9-11". I said CIA and FAA were well aware of the potential for an attack so with that being said, how would the Patriot Act have prevented 9/11? How exactly would you address the victims of the Patriot Act? The whole thing tramples over the U.S. Constitution. It is like opening Pandora's box. My point is that these terrorists are a result of foreign policy. Change foreign policy and we won't have such a big issue with terrorist threats. Hell, why not bring home troops to help? Or perhaps we can just go into Marshall Law so we have nothing to worry about...
    BTW...in order for their to be remuneration for the 'victims' of the Patriot Act, first you have to point them out. And IF there are victims they are entitled to the same process as are ALL citizens. All Im hearing are the same tired standard "evil Patriot Act is violating peoples rights" rhetorical bull****.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

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    Great, the one thing the parties can agree on is this???
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Change foreign policy and we won't have such a big issue with terrorist threats.
    BBC News - Barack Obama orders 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan

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