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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but I believe Obama is FOR the continued use of the Patriot Act.
    He probably wants to bring back the Alien and Sedition Act of John Adams. Dems want desperately to get rid of conservative talk radio.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but I believe Obama is FOR the continued use of the Patriot Act.
    That's why I ain't holding my breath. I'd like to see it gone in full though. It would be nice. Also, the Real ID Act should be taken completely off the books and everyone who voted for that should be subjected to public whippings.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Dems want desperately to get rid of conservative talk radio.
    They don't need another law for that. All you got to do is to call them terrorists, and then the Patriot Act allows you to do whatever the **** you want to them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Patriot Act: House Republicans fail to pass renewal - latimes.com
    The House GOP sought an eight-month extension to give leaders time to prepare for an attempt this year to make the law permanent, potentially inserting the national security debate into the presidential campaign season.

    The Senate is considering a Democratic-backed bill that would extend the expiring provisions to 2013.

    "We should not extend this debate into an election year and risk that some will play politics with our national security," said Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

    The House voted 277 to 148 in favor of the extension, falling short of the required two-thirds majority. Twenty-six Republicans opposed the bill, as did 122 Democrats. Sixty-seven Democrats voted in favor.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Also, the Real ID Act should be taken completely off the books and everyone who voted for that should be subjected to public whippings.
    Screw whips, I say getting beaten by children with sticks.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    I kindaa think that alotta the folks that foam at the mouth over the Patriot Act, probably don't fully understand what it says.

    The Patriot Act bill would have renewed the authority for court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones. Also addressed was Section 215, the so-called library records provision that gives the FBI court-approved access to "any tangible thing" relevant to a terrorism investigation.

    The third deals with the "lone-wolf" provision of a 2004 anti-terror law that permits secret intelligence surveillance of non-U.S. people not known to be affiliated with a specific terrorist organization.

    House rejects extensions of Patriot Act provisions - Yahoo! News
    The last provision, IMO, leaves the door wide open for an independent operator to run mission within the borders of the United States.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's why I ain't holding my breath. I'd like to see it gone in full though. It would be nice. Also, the Real ID Act should be taken completely off the books and everyone who voted for that should be subjected to public whippings.
    Well...I think its kinda silly to be opposed to it just because Obama is FOR it...maybe I am misreading your comment...

    Ive read a lot on the Patriot Act and Ive heard lots of allegations that it has created abuse...I just have never seen the specific instances where American Citizens have had those rights abused. I dont care what they call it...but there needs to be SOME form of legislation that allows our intel agencies to target NON US citizens suspected of terrorism or supporting terrorism. National Security needs to not be a bull**** partisan argument.

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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I know I am in a minority here but I don't have the knee jerk reaction to everything associated with the Patriot Act that most seem to have. It is folly and also a little arrogant to think we can go on living like 9/11 never happen and that freedom of movement and privacy can be defined the same way. We stand at the peak of a hill where the slope is slippery down both sides. It is sad that freedom doesn't mean and cannot mean what it did 10, 20 or 30 years ago but we have to get over it. U.S. citizens have been well protected since 9/11 and it isn't because we buried our heads in the sand. The Patriot Act represents reality. Sorry that the government has let us down on so many issues and that we don't trust them. It is the only government we have and they are charged with keeping more planes from crashing into buildings or bombs going off where we work and live. Don't take this time of relative quiet to get all haughty about the constitution on this issue. A lot of you probably **** on the Constitution and call it outdated on other issues.
    I'm not sure what change you believe has occurred that makes liberty so costly that it must be dispensed with. Do you imagine that somehow we are more likely to die by violence than the people, our founders, who recognized these essential liberties? Do you imagine that they were unaware of the trade off between security and liberty? They chose liberty, and so do I.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I'm not sure what change you believe has occurred that makes liberty so costly that it must be dispensed with. Do you imagine that somehow we are more likely to die by violence than the people, our founders, who recognized these essential liberties? Do you imagine that they were unaware of the trade off between security and liberty? They chose liberty, and so do I.
    I'm not sure what liberties have been dispensed with, because of the Patriot act. My liberties have come under a greater threat because of the drilling moratorium and the healthcare bill, than anything else.
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    Re: House GOP fumbles on Patriot Act renewal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not sure what liberties have been dispensed with, because of the Patriot act.
    The topic is about the patriot act. The person I was responding to was stating that we ought to tolerate the loss of liberty for the sake of security. What liberties do YOU think she was referring to?
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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