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Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

Illumination said:
And what they get done by your standards only weakens our country fiscally and defensively. You're empire, we can no longer afford. Our debt continues to mount while China and other nations continue to grow stronger off it. Once these nations are strong enough, our monetary standards will no longer be valuable enough to them. Laborer jobs are expendable today. High-tech jobs are as well. I'm sure this sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories to you like republics and democracies sounded to the monarchies of the past. Your empire will crumble from this path you will not abandon.
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Maybe you missed it, I am a conservative.


j-mac
 
Fiddytree said:
Consider the distance from a plane a doing an approach to the ground, but is still relatively high in altitude. The people down below are nearly impossible to spot, but their cars might be. It seems like a toy universe, one that is both lacking in realism and petty at the same time. You get closer to the ground, and the realism steadily increases and the perspective seems more grand. Then you think to yourself, from that little car down there, they must be thinking so much about their surroundings and how much their lives matter, even though from an altitude of a plane, it seems so insignificant.

From your perspective, the difference is not that clear, but the differences that are there the closer you come back to the surface, they are very large. While to a significant degree Obama will follow the trend of the Bush administration, which came to some degree from the Clinton administration, which came to the Bush Sr. Administration, which came from the Reagan administration before that....there are also significant changes that cannot be discounted so readily. In a sense, it would be like claiming Douglas and Lincoln were essentially the same platform, but that also would be creating quite the fairy tale.

Being the principled man is a pedagogical necessity, but it is likewise different in the real ball game.
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I reply to you with the same as above. You won't be able to even draft enough people to withold the empire you want to continue with.
 
Illumination said:
And what they get done by your standards only weakens our country fiscally and defensively. You're empire, we can no longer afford. Our debt continues to mount while China and other nations continue to grow stronger off it. Once these nations are strong enough, our monetary standards will no longer be valuable enough to them. Laborer jobs are expendable today. High-tech jobs are as well. I'm sure this sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories to you like republics and democracies sounded to the monarchies of the past. Your empire will crumble from this path you will not abandon.
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The weaker we become in the short term and midterm, the less likely it is for China to develop. They need a strong United States for their investment to pay off.
 
j-mac said:
Maybe you missed it, I am a conservative.


j-mac
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Oh so we should invoke sharia law? Or stay loyal to the crown of England? One get's confused by by this definition of conservatism... Today's conservative seems more willing to bring about the rapture overseas rather than stick to our constitution.
 
Illumination said:
Oh so we should invoke sharia law? Or stay loyal to the crown of England? One get's confused by by this definition of conservatism... Today's conservative seems more willing to bring about the rapture overseas rather than stick to our constitution.
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Wow are you confused.


j-mac
 
Fiddytree said:
The weaker we become in the short term and midterm, the less likely it is for China to develop. They need a strong United States for their investment to pay off.
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We, in terms of standard of living, have much further to fall than the average Chinese citizen in terms of economic crisis. China can afford to exploit many more poorer nations than we can at the expense of the people.
 
j-mac said:
Wow are you confused.


j-mac
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I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.
 
Illumination said:
I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.
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Not sitting at my home comp, actually am out on the road moving America as we speak, so maybe at a later time. I would love to further explore your 'Libertarian' roots.


j-mac
 
Illumination said:
I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.
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Maybe empty rhetoric is also the inability to execute rhetoric.
 
sharia law and hanoverian tories...

LOL!
 
Fiddytree said:
Maybe empty rhetoric is also the inability to execute rhetoric.
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Sounds like nothing but an excuse. Is it your excuse? Does printing paper and shipping jobs overseas sound sustainable to you? This inflated paper has it's limits when it comes to paying our military to enforce our will on unwiling nations... not to mention the fact that any human in any country is totally capable of performing any task we need as long as they have the proper education for it; and we coincidentally seem to be falling behind on that whole education thing....,
 
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No, I come from the school of thought that believes change should be somewhat cautionary, perhaps evolutionary rather than revolutionary at best, and that not all change is for the better. Likewise, changes are always up to unforeseen consequences of both positive and negatives.
 
j-mac said:
Not sitting at my home comp, actually am out on the road moving America as we speak, so maybe at a later time. I would love to further explore your 'Libertarian' roots.


j-mac
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Gotta haul them bedbugs. :mrgreen:
 
Illumination said:
someone doesn't understand the concept of definitions.
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twilight zone---a dimension of sight, of sound, of mind, a world where john boehner in 18th century new york appears before sdny, koran tucked under his arm, to make legal comparisons between gay marriage and incest

LOL!
 
j-mac said:
Other than 51% of Americans don't care who runs against him as long as he is out.....HA! But I tried to move this to blogs section since it was CNN's blog....I guess it didn't take.

j-mac
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run palin against him...
 
Illumination said:
Does printing paper and shipping jobs overseas sound sustainable to you?
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You claim there is little difference between the parties, but which party is spending, printing, and has the bad habit of inserting itself into the market to inflate wages? Who is pissing constantly on "evil corporations"? Why should businesses stay if the environment is hostile and punitive? Perhaps a little sobriety on the part of the electorate and some honesty from the journOlists would go a ways to fixing this problem... but much damage has been done.

... not to mention the fact that any human in any country is totally capable of performing any task we need as long as they have the proper education for it; and we coincidentally seem to be falling behind on that whole education thing....,
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Yes, and haven't we gone far since Carter created the DOE? And The Teachers' Union have done what to improve education standards... and who do they tend to vote for en masse?

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zimmer said:
which party is spending, printing, and has the bad habit of inserting itself into the market to inflate wages?
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Fed to Buy $600 Billion of Treasurys - WSJ.com

bernanke waited til the day AFTER the midterms to announce his 600b PUMP on top of the 1.5T he's already extended

even so, it ruined obama's g20

after the shellacking last november, president oblivious was eager to flee the country, ending up in seoul

but his attempts to cobble international cooperation vs china's crass currency manipulation were sabotaged by bernanke's obscene bid

the consensus reaction of the international community was---who are you to lecture us about currency?

the national journal called president obtuse's g20 his RODNEY DANGERFIELD moment

the ny times said obama was REJECTED on the world stage

NationalJournal.com - America?s Rodney Dangerfield Moment - Friday, November 12, 2010

Obama's Economic Views Rejected on World Stage - The Boston Globe

a year earlier president obnoxious went to asia and got slammed on currency, climate, human rights, tibet...

the highly presitigious cfr (leslie gelb) described president oblivious' first asia trip as---amateur hour comes to the white house

der spiegel said---obama's nice guy act gets him nowhere

Amateur Hour at the White House - The Daily Beast

US Foreign Policy: Obama's Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

do you think these leaders of elite analysis are spinning?

obama's an idiot

his supporters don't know what's going on
 
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Illumination said:
I remember the 2-term GOP president before Obama that practiced the same wasteful spending tactics as this administration and watched the economy tank on his watch. I'll bet many if not most of the people remember that as well.
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Oh, I'm hoping you are right, and have seen the error of their ways, at least enough so, to see this president is nothing but Bush on steroids when it comes to spending, and not give him a chance at a 2nd term to continue down this path.
 
hazlnut said:
Of course in the new America, we vote out competence and raise up incompetence.

Welcome to Dumfukistan.
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We first have to vote in competence, once we do that .. we can vote it out.
 
zimmer said:
You claim there is little difference between the parties, but which party is spending, printing, and has the bad habit of inserting itself into the market to inflate wages?
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Both parties. Judging from the actions you've referenced I honestly couldn't tell the difference between either party.
Who is pissing constantly on "evil corporations"?
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Whatever they say, the results seem to be the same no matter who is in power at any given time.

Why should businesses stay if the environment is hostile and punitive?
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They shouldn't and we shouldn't spend trillions over the years enabling them to like we do with our foreign aid and foreign wars. Of course these global corporations move jobs overseas. We pay dearly to enable them to do it.
Yes, and haven't we gone far since Carter created the DOE? And The Teachers' Union have done what to improve education standards... and who do they tend to vote for en masse?

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While I do think there is plenty of room to make spending cuts on this, I find it troubling that it's usually one of the first budgets we usually talk about cutting rather than all the spending we send overseas. We the people actually use the education system and get something out of it (not enough admittedly). It's our money and our own social programs should take priority over programs of foreign governments.
 
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