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Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

Any way you look at it, it's going to be an uphill battle. I will agree with jambalaya, it's still to early to call, and there will have to be a viable opponent. If the Republicans try to put up another moderate like McCain, there is a good chance of losing, Some one like Mitt Romney. In my opinion would be a good choice, add Chris Christie* to the ticket as VP and I think you would have a winning ticket.

That's true. But, as Bush taught us well, beating expectations becomes a positive. All he has to do to start with is do better than expected. It then becomes the story, repeated because it is interesting and is news. Conservatives will whine about the liberal media, but it will simply be him doing beter than expected. With some help with events, it is POSSIBLE that the metrics change between now and then.
 
That's true. But, as Bush taught us well, beating expectations becomes a positive. All he has to do to start with is do better than expected. It then becomes the story, repeated because it is interesting and is news. Conservatives will whine about the liberal media, but it will simply be him doing beter than expected. With some help with events, it is POSSIBLE that the metrics change between now and then.

Didn't say it wasn't possible, but he has far far more problems then Bush had, Bush basically had the war and not much else. The Dems surely didn't put up the best they had to offer against him either, and that will be just as much a deciding factor in 2021 as well .
 
Didn't say it wasn't possible, but he has far far more problems then Bush had, Bush basically had the war and not much else. The Dems surely didn't put up the best they had to offer against him either, and that will be just as much a deciding factor in 2021 as well .

That's not quite true. Bush had his entire forgien policy. His domestic efforts also were found wanting. The entire cut taxes and increase spending was mindless. His response to Katrina left a real bad taste for a lot of people. How Bush got elected for a second term is truely stunning. So, it can happen.

And yes, I accept that you also see it as possible.
 
I don't see how he can over come the problems that face him.

The war in Afghanistan is going badly, and losing the faith of the American people.

The entire middle east is in upheaval, far worse shape then when he took over

North Korea is thumbing it's nose at the US

Iran is furthering their ability to obtain nukes.

Generally in the worlds eyes, we are now seen as far less of a force then when he took office.

He is going to have a fight on his hands with everything to do with his health care bill

Our nation debt has the American people up in arms

Deficit spending is just plain out of sight.

Unemployment is still higher then when he took office.

We are no closer to and alternate “green” fuel then before. And gas and oil prices are rising.

We are just as dependent on foreign oil or more so then before.

He has lost many seniors because they have not received a increase in SS in two years.

Inflation is just now starting to rear it's ugly head, and may well continue to worsen.

The left sees him as to far to the center.

The right sees him as to far to the left.

You have to realize that he really only has a year to work on all these things, because starting at the end or sooner of this year, the campaigning begins, even if a couple of the listed things manage to get better, there is still a long list that he is going to have to defend himself again.

Any way you look at it, it's going to be an uphill battle. I will agree with jambalaya, it's still to early to call, and there will have to be a viable opponent. If the Republicans try to put up another moderate like McCain, there is a good chance of losing, Some one like Mitt Romney. In my opinion would be a good choice, add Chris Christie* to the ticket as VP and I think you would have a winning ticket.

Well if thats the attitude of all you americans, you'll talk yourself into failure.

There's always been a long list of what was wrong with the times. No time was ever perfect, no one ever sat back and went "We're not in trouble today".

All storms must pass. It ain't Obama's entire fault, and it ain't all Bush's falt.
 
Its the economy stupid

If public feels the economy is improving in 2012 (and significantly at that) then Obama will have a very good chance of being reelected.

If the economy is not improving then he wont

In 2008 I was stating who ever won in 2008 was likely to be a 1 term president due mostly to economic issues (The US and world economy still has plenty of issues to work through)
 
People thought Bush would lose in 2004.

And then the Democratic candidate was announced.

They don't announce candidates, they select them.

Difference between Obama and Bush is... we were hit on 911, and not even a Lib, the front runner who served in Vietnam was seen as fit for command.

Today Afghanistan and Iraq garner barely a word, and well... it's the economy stupid... and stupid is doing pathetically... that... our debts and ObiKare and his arrogance represent the anvils that break the camel's back.

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They don't announce candidates, they select them.

Difference between Obama and Bush is... we were hit on 911, and not even a Lib, the front runner who served in Vietnam was seen as fit for command.

Today Afghanistan and Iraq garner barely a word, and well... it's the economy stupid... and stupid is doing pathetically... that... our debts and ObiKare and his arrogance represent the anvils that break the camel's back.

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I remember the 2-term GOP president before Obama that practiced the same wasteful spending tactics as this administration and watched the economy tank on his watch. I'll bet many if not most of the people remember that as well.
 
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You act as if all left wingers are claiming that people who don't support Obama are racists. It's easy to do so when you pick out the outspoken few who are misguided enough to do so. Perhaps you could actually take part in the conversation in a constructive manner rather than baiting with foolish stereotypes that you and your ilk have about the left.

If you call someone out for baiting, while baiting yourself, what is that called?
 
If you call someone out for baiting, while baiting yourself, what is that called?

That's how you know when somebody's a true master baiter.
 
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You guys elected a president with the same credentials as Justin Timberlake.

I've hired data entry clerks with a thicker resume than Obama.

strong the obama side of the force was with the weakminded victims of Bush Derangement Syndrome
 
If you call someone out for baiting, while baiting yourself, what is that called?

How exactly was I baiting? Was I wrong in my assessment that many people on the right have foolish stereotypes about people on the left? A quick check around the DP forum easily proves my point.

Hmm...interesting...

Aren't personal insults the last liberal debating move before they run away?

More New Times garbage

New Times = liberal rag, the only ones here who read it are the dope smoking crowd at ASU


I am not seeing where anything you have posted has any relevance to the current situation here. And yes, I am dismissing the New Times as irrelevant and biased.

I live in Maricopa county, I am well aware of Arapios philosophies regarding illegals. If you want to be taken seriously on this subject, I think you should start linking some sources. Liberal opinions are easy to spout, but don't do much to reinforce an argument.

I get it. You are angry because you are included as part of that ilk who relies on foolish stereotypes about liberals.
 
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I remember the 2-term GOP president before Obama that practiced the same wasteful spending tactics as this administration and watched the economy tank on his watch. I'll bet many if not most of the people remember that as well.

If you really think that the 'Blame it on Bush' tripe is going to play then you are fooling yourself. The voting public is awakening more and more, day by day, and they don't like what they see. There is no more excuses for this profligate spending, and "fundemental transformation" of our nation. We don't like what that transformation is looking like.


j-mac
 
How exactly was I baiting? Was I wrong in my assessment that many people on the right have foolish stereotypes about people on the left? A quick check around the DP forum easily proves my point.

Hmm...interesting...







I get it. You are angry because you are included as part of that ilk who relies on foolish stereotypes about liberals.

This is real pot and kettle arguing at its finest here boy I tell ya. But I'd have to say that much like nearly every liberal that enters a debate these days, they either try to get you to not speak harshly while at the very same time insulting you themselves. Ah well, I guess lashing out is all they have left really.


j-mac
 
This is real pot and kettle arguing at its finest here boy I tell ya. But I'd have to say that much like nearly every liberal that enters a debate these days, they either try to get you to not speak harshly while at the very same time insulting you themselves. Ah well, I guess lashing out is all they have left really.


j-mac

Ah, so now you are joining the stereotyping gang bang as well. It's sad that you can't come up with actual stuff to debate and instead have to rely on idiotic stereotypes. Yeah, we get it...you don't like people on the left. People on the left don't like you either. Honestly, who gives a ****? Both sides are hypocritical.
 
Ah, so now you are joining the stereotyping gang bang as well. It's sad that you can't come up with actual stuff to debate and instead have to rely on idiotic stereotypes. Yeah, we get it...you don't like people on the left. People on the left don't like you either. Honestly, who gives a ****? Both sides are hypocritical.

So you admit it. Well, that is the first step Doc. Listen, your reply is weak, when busted the best you can come up with is "Who gives a ****?" Really? GAWD, I'll just go back to not wasting the bandwidth unless you have something better.


j-mac
 
So you admit it. Well, that is the first step Doc. Listen, your reply is weak, when busted the best you can come up with is "Who gives a ****?" Really? GAWD, I'll just go back to not wasting the bandwidth unless you have something better.


j-mac

First of all, my original comment was in reply to American. Then cholla had to play hero and butt into the conversation, because he/she felt that American was incapable of responding on his own. Then you came along and felt you had to butt into the conversation as well. Perhaps you should try minding your own business and stick to the topic instead of your pathetic continued attempts at baiting. Cool? :)
 
First of all, my original comment was in reply to American. Then cholla had to play hero and butt into the conversation, because he/she felt that American was incapable of responding on his own. Then you came along and felt you had to butt into the conversation as well. Perhaps you should try minding your own business and stick to the topic instead of your pathetic continued attempts at baiting. Cool? :)

"Butt in?" LOL....Dude, it's a public message board where any member can post. If you don't want to be called out for jack assery, then don't commit it. Get some help man.


j-mac

PS Now you can act all offended and go cryin' via the report button....Thx for playin, back to ignore with you.
 
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"Butt in?" LOL....Dude, it's a public message board where any member can post. If you don't want to be called out for jack assery, then don't committ it. Get some help man.


j-mac

Well, obviously you are going to continue to bait. Have fun with yourself.
 
If you really think that the 'Blame it on Bush' tripe is going to play then you are fooling yourself.
Nope I blame both parties. Both do the same things.

The voting public is awakening more and more, day by day, and they don't like what they see. There is no more excuses for this profligate spending, and "fundemental transformation" of our nation. We don't like what that transformation is looking like.

What transformation? I see the current president doing the same stuff his opposing party would do if they were in office...
 
Nope I blame both parties. Both do the same things.



What transformation? I see the current president doing the same stuff his opposing party would do if they were in office...

Yep, no reason to believe that the repubs got the message of '08 eh? Yeah, they're all just trash, so who will you vote for in '12? Someone with no chance? Good for you.


j-mac
 
Yep, no reason to believe that the repubs got the message of '08 eh? Yeah, they're all just trash, so who will you vote for in '12? Someone with no chance? Good for you.


j-mac

Probably true but at least the words I speak have meaning and the principles I stand by are non-negotiable. Meanwhile people like you serve the other party just as much as your own.
 
Probably true but at least the words I speak have meaning and the principles I stand by are non-negotiable. Meanwhile people like you serve the other party just as much as your own.

Oh yes meaning and principle. Take that to the change bank...I'll stick with someone I can agree with 80% and actually put someone in that can get something done rather than walking around with that 'I'm better than everyone else because I voted the obscure ticket'...

j-mac
 
Probably true but at least the words I speak have meaning and the principles I stand by are non-negotiable. Meanwhile people like you serve the other party just as much as your own.

What transformation? I see the current president doing the same stuff his opposing party would do if they were in office...

Consider the distance from a plane a doing an approach to the ground, but is still relatively high in altitude. The people down below are nearly impossible to spot, but their cars might be. It seems like a toy universe, one that is both lacking in realism and petty at the same time. You get closer to the ground, and the realism steadily increases and the perspective seems more grand. Then you think to yourself, from that little car down there, they must be thinking so much about their surroundings and how much their lives matter, even though from an altitude of a plane, it seems so insignificant.

From your perspective, the difference is not that clear, but the differences that are there the closer you come back to the surface, they are very large. While to a significant degree Obama will follow the trend of the Bush administration, which came to some degree from the Clinton administration, which came to the Bush Sr. Administration, which came from the Reagan administration before that....there are also significant changes that cannot be discounted so readily. In a sense, it would be like claiming Douglas and Lincoln were essentially the same platform, but that also would be creating quite the fairy tale.

Being the principled man is a pedagogical necessity, but it is likewise different in the real ball game.
 
Oh yes meaning and principle. Take that to the change bank...I'll stick with someone I can agree with 80% and actually put someone in that can get something done rather than walking around with that 'I'm better than everyone else because I voted the obscure ticket'...

j-mac
And what they get done by your standards only weakens our country fiscally and defensively. You're empire, we can no longer afford. Our debt continues to mount while China and other nations continue to grow stronger off it. Once these nations are strong enough, our monetary standards will no longer be valuable enough to them. Laborer jobs are expendable today. High-tech jobs are as well. I'm sure this sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories to you like republics and democracies sounded to the monarchies of the past. Your empire will crumble from this path you will not abandon.
 
Oh my....Not good news for demo's.


j-mac

51% is not that high. Furthermore, against unnamed opponents. Further still, even if unnamed opponents suddenly are named, they are not being voted on today. We are still riding the wave, but have little knowledge of what to expect in the next year.
 
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