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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    And what they get done by your standards only weakens our country fiscally and defensively. You're empire, we can no longer afford. Our debt continues to mount while China and other nations continue to grow stronger off it. Once these nations are strong enough, our monetary standards will no longer be valuable enough to them. Laborer jobs are expendable today. High-tech jobs are as well. I'm sure this sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories to you like republics and democracies sounded to the monarchies of the past. Your empire will crumble from this path you will not abandon.
    Maybe you missed it, I am a conservative.


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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

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    Consider the distance from a plane a doing an approach to the ground, but is still relatively high in altitude. The people down below are nearly impossible to spot, but their cars might be. It seems like a toy universe, one that is both lacking in realism and petty at the same time. You get closer to the ground, and the realism steadily increases and the perspective seems more grand. Then you think to yourself, from that little car down there, they must be thinking so much about their surroundings and how much their lives matter, even though from an altitude of a plane, it seems so insignificant.

    From your perspective, the difference is not that clear, but the differences that are there the closer you come back to the surface, they are very large. While to a significant degree Obama will follow the trend of the Bush administration, which came to some degree from the Clinton administration, which came to the Bush Sr. Administration, which came from the Reagan administration before that....there are also significant changes that cannot be discounted so readily. In a sense, it would be like claiming Douglas and Lincoln were essentially the same platform, but that also would be creating quite the fairy tale.

    Being the principled man is a pedagogical necessity, but it is likewise different in the real ball game.
    I reply to you with the same as above. You won't be able to even draft enough people to withold the empire you want to continue with.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    And what they get done by your standards only weakens our country fiscally and defensively. You're empire, we can no longer afford. Our debt continues to mount while China and other nations continue to grow stronger off it. Once these nations are strong enough, our monetary standards will no longer be valuable enough to them. Laborer jobs are expendable today. High-tech jobs are as well. I'm sure this sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories to you like republics and democracies sounded to the monarchies of the past. Your empire will crumble from this path you will not abandon.
    The weaker we become in the short term and midterm, the less likely it is for China to develop. They need a strong United States for their investment to pay off.
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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe you missed it, I am a conservative.


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    Oh so we should invoke sharia law? Or stay loyal to the crown of England? One get's confused by by this definition of conservatism... Today's conservative seems more willing to bring about the rapture overseas rather than stick to our constitution.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    Oh so we should invoke sharia law? Or stay loyal to the crown of England? One get's confused by by this definition of conservatism... Today's conservative seems more willing to bring about the rapture overseas rather than stick to our constitution.
    Wow are you confused.


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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The weaker we become in the short term and midterm, the less likely it is for China to develop. They need a strong United States for their investment to pay off.
    We, in terms of standard of living, have much further to fall than the average Chinese citizen in terms of economic crisis. China can afford to exploit many more poorer nations than we can at the expense of the people.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow are you confused.


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    I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    Oh so we should invoke sharia law? Or stay loyal to the crown of England? One get's confused by by this definition of conservatism... Today's conservative seems more willing to bring about the rapture overseas rather than stick to our constitution.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.

    Not sitting at my home comp, actually am out on the road moving America as we speak, so maybe at a later time. I would love to further explore your 'Libertarian' roots.


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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    I would suggest you are. I've made arguements supporting my position. You, on the other hand, only produce empty rhetoric.
    Maybe empty rhetoric is also the inability to execute rhetoric.
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