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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    I still wouldn't be worried if I was Obama or one of his still standing supporters, simply for the fact that the GOP doesn't have a well known face to face Obama. Although I feel that if the American public would invest more time into looking into some of the potential upcoming GOP candidates that the races would be extremely close.
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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Of course these people are all racist.
    You act as if all left wingers are claiming that people who don't support Obama are racists. It's easy to do so when you pick out the outspoken few who are misguided enough to do so. Perhaps you could actually take part in the conversation in a constructive manner rather than baiting with foolish stereotypes that you and your ilk have about the left.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And it's early yet. We'll see what happens.
    That's very true... it's still early and in that short time Obama quickly piled up one incompetency and misstep after another, spanning the entire spectrum of politics. Economics to foreign policy. This poll, Brown and the Midterms reflect the sentiment of a public soured on a liar and deceiver.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    People thought Bush would lose in 2004.

    And then the Democratic candidate was announced.
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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    I don't see how he can over come the problems that face him.

    The war in Afghanistan is going badly, and losing the faith of the American people.

    The entire middle east is in upheaval, far worse shape then when he took over

    North Korea is thumbing it's nose at the US

    Iran is furthering their ability to obtain nukes.

    Generally in the worlds eyes, we are now seen as far less of a force then when he took office.

    He is going to have a fight on his hands with everything to do with his health care bill

    Our nation debt has the American people up in arms

    Deficit spending is just plain out of sight.

    Unemployment is still higher then when he took office.

    We are no closer to and alternate “green” fuel then before. And gas and oil prices are rising.

    We are just as dependent on foreign oil or more so then before.

    He has lost many seniors because they have not received a increase in SS in two years.

    Inflation is just now starting to rear it's ugly head, and may well continue to worsen.

    The left sees him as to far to the center.

    The right sees him as to far to the left.

    You have to realize that he really only has a year to work on all these things, because starting at the end or sooner of this year, the campaigning begins, even if a couple of the listed things manage to get better, there is still a long list that he is going to have to defend himself again.

    Any way you look at it, it's going to be an uphill battle. I will agree with jambalaya, it's still to early to call, and there will have to be a viable opponent. If the Republicans try to put up another moderate like McCain, there is a good chance of losing, Some one like Mitt Romney. In my opinion would be a good choice, add Chris Christie* to the ticket as VP and I think you would have a winning ticket.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Any way you look at it, it's going to be an uphill battle. I will agree with jambalaya, it's still to early to call, and there will have to be a viable opponent. If the Republicans try to put up another moderate like McCain, there is a good chance of losing, Some one like Mitt Romney. In my opinion would be a good choice, add Chris Christie* to the ticket as VP and I think you would have a winning ticket.
    That's true. But, as Bush taught us well, beating expectations becomes a positive. All he has to do to start with is do better than expected. It then becomes the story, repeated because it is interesting and is news. Conservatives will whine about the liberal media, but it will simply be him doing beter than expected. With some help with events, it is POSSIBLE that the metrics change between now and then.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true. But, as Bush taught us well, beating expectations becomes a positive. All he has to do to start with is do better than expected. It then becomes the story, repeated because it is interesting and is news. Conservatives will whine about the liberal media, but it will simply be him doing beter than expected. With some help with events, it is POSSIBLE that the metrics change between now and then.
    Didn't say it wasn't possible, but he has far far more problems then Bush had, Bush basically had the war and not much else. The Dems surely didn't put up the best they had to offer against him either, and that will be just as much a deciding factor in 2021 as well .

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Didn't say it wasn't possible, but he has far far more problems then Bush had, Bush basically had the war and not much else. The Dems surely didn't put up the best they had to offer against him either, and that will be just as much a deciding factor in 2021 as well .
    That's not quite true. Bush had his entire forgien policy. His domestic efforts also were found wanting. The entire cut taxes and increase spending was mindless. His response to Katrina left a real bad taste for a lot of people. How Bush got elected for a second term is truely stunning. So, it can happen.

    And yes, I accept that you also see it as possible.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I don't see how he can over come the problems that face him.

    The war in Afghanistan is going badly, and losing the faith of the American people.

    The entire middle east is in upheaval, far worse shape then when he took over

    North Korea is thumbing it's nose at the US

    Iran is furthering their ability to obtain nukes.

    Generally in the worlds eyes, we are now seen as far less of a force then when he took office.

    He is going to have a fight on his hands with everything to do with his health care bill

    Our nation debt has the American people up in arms

    Deficit spending is just plain out of sight.

    Unemployment is still higher then when he took office.

    We are no closer to and alternate “green” fuel then before. And gas and oil prices are rising.

    We are just as dependent on foreign oil or more so then before.

    He has lost many seniors because they have not received a increase in SS in two years.

    Inflation is just now starting to rear it's ugly head, and may well continue to worsen.

    The left sees him as to far to the center.

    The right sees him as to far to the left.

    You have to realize that he really only has a year to work on all these things, because starting at the end or sooner of this year, the campaigning begins, even if a couple of the listed things manage to get better, there is still a long list that he is going to have to defend himself again.

    Any way you look at it, it's going to be an uphill battle. I will agree with jambalaya, it's still to early to call, and there will have to be a viable opponent. If the Republicans try to put up another moderate like McCain, there is a good chance of losing, Some one like Mitt Romney. In my opinion would be a good choice, add Chris Christie* to the ticket as VP and I think you would have a winning ticket.
    Well if thats the attitude of all you americans, you'll talk yourself into failure.

    There's always been a long list of what was wrong with the times. No time was ever perfect, no one ever sat back and went "We're not in trouble today".

    All storms must pass. It ain't Obama's entire fault, and it ain't all Bush's falt.

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    Re: Americans Think Obama Would Lose In 2012

    Its the economy stupid

    If public feels the economy is improving in 2012 (and significantly at that) then Obama will have a very good chance of being reelected.

    If the economy is not improving then he wont

    In 2008 I was stating who ever won in 2008 was likely to be a 1 term president due mostly to economic issues (The US and world economy still has plenty of issues to work through)
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