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Obama says people who hate him don't know him

Albert Di Salvo said:
Societies and civilizations rise and fall. America is no exception.

Once the Mayans had a great civilization. When it fell their descendants even lost the ability to read Mayan script.
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Maybe. Do you want it sooner or later?
 
Tucker Case said:
I would love to see just one conservative, just one, argue that history will be the judge of Obama's policies like so many of them did for Bush.

At the same time, I would also love to see one liberal, just one, attack Obama over the current state of the US as harshly as they attacked Bush.
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History will be the judge of Obama's policies and I'm betting that the verdict won't be as awesome as some folks think it will be.
 
apdst said:
History will be the judge of Obama's policies and I'm betting that the verdict won't be as awesome as some folks think it will be.
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History? Who is this fellow and how do we know he got it right? History is often rewritten and biased by the writer. There is no completely onjective writing of history.
 
Tucker Case said:
Personally, after reading up on Carter, I think he gets a bum wrap. He made some mistakes, sure, but he wasn't anywhere near the failure he gets portrayed as. I'd say he was mediocre.
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As the most powerful man in the world, mediocrity equates to failure. Carter was weak. The world saw him as weak. That's the reason that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and the Iranians took 53 Americans hostage and held them for 444 days.
 
Hatuey said:
Sarah Palin has TV shows, book deals, speech deals and she's hated on a personal level but Obama isn't? YOU ****ING PARTISAN HYPOCRITE.
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Well, that argument just sold me. How 'bout ya'll?
 
haymarket said:
And many extremists on the right are doing their best to do everything they can to make sure it gets here faster and blows harder and more forceful that it otherwise would. The dearly are willing to have the vast majority lose and lose big so that their extremist ideology has a tiny chance of succeeding.
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The vast majority has been losing, already, in case you haven't noticed.
 
Boo Radley said:
History? Who is this fellow and how do we know he got it right? History is often rewritten and biased by the writer. There is no completely onjective writing of history.
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You can't refute historical fact. It takes some digging to find those facts, sometimes, but they're there and they do not lie.
 
apdst said:
The vast majority has been losing, already, in case you haven't noticed.
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If that is true, it is within our power to change it.

But who is this majority that you feel have been losing?
 
haymarket said:
Many are doing quite spectacularly thank you.
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then why did oblivious obama make ed reform his top priority in his sadsack sotu?

And if we ever got our ridiculous standardized tests to dovetail with a national curriculum like these other nations you are envious of, you would be surprised to see the results narrow considerably.
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so kids who can't spell or add fractions at the state level are suddenly gonna perform when the fractions and spelling are nationalized?

Raise taxes on those who ahve the most to pay and pop the cap while freezing benefit levels.
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in what imagi-nation are these policies being pursued?

Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

Transcript: Obama's State Of The Union Address : NPR

Repeal Prop 13 and you will be on the road to a better state.
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moonbeam is having enough trouble simply getting a special election

Brown uses Egypt to urge deep cuts - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

get real

I was just there hours ago. And so was the Motor City.
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Detroit Begins Demolishing Hundreds Of Vacant Homes

Detroit's budget woes lead to school closings and not paying utility bills - National Finance Examiner | Examiner.com

Detroit Schools budget deficit grows 66% | detnews.com | The Detroit News

Lets treat them well and hope they remain here to make a contribution to America.
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where else would the foreign born post grads at berkeley go?

Like those previously mentioned Chinese engineering students? You contradict yourself from one line to the next.
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what was that, again?

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
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how's that hopey changey workin?
 
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haymarket said:
If that is true, it is within our power to change it.
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Yeppers! And, that's going to go down in November of 2012, unless that Mayan thing isn't bull****.

But who is this majority that you feel have been losing?
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The American people as a whole.
 
Tucker Case said:
Excellent. thank you.



And I'm betting the verdict won't be nearly as horrible as some people think it will be.
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Depends on whether or not Obama is successful in achieving the leveling of the playing field as he wants it.

j-mac
 
apdst said:
Better make that a small bet.
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Considering that most of those who think he'll be judged the truly horribly also tend to be the most prone to hyperbole and melodramatics, I'd bet my house and my life savings on it being a lot better than they expect.
 
The Prof said:
then why did oblivious obama make ed reform his top priority in his sadsack sotu?
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The last time I looked at my paycheck, it did not indicate that I spoke for the President. Regardless, many Americans are doing quite well in schools and many fine graduates are produced each year.

so kids who can't spell or add fractions at the state level are suddenly gonna perform when the fractions and spelling are nationalized?
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There is no American school system. There are tens of thousands of different school systems each with its own individual curriculum that is not totally integrated or dovetailed with national standardized test like the Japanese are. As such, students are often measured on what the DID NOT cover in class and what WAS COVERED in class is NOT on the standardized tests. The Japanese, with their national curriculum, do not have this basic problem.

I have no idea what the rest of your smart alecky, insincere, comments have to do with anything, other than you trying to look clever..... and falling far short of the mark.
 
Tucker Case said:
Considering that most of those who think he'll be judged the truly horribly also tend to be the most prone to hyperbole and melodramatics, I'd bet my house and my life savings on it being a lot better than they expect.
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Haha. A fool and his money are soon parted.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Stansberry's Investment Advisory
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Oh brother!!!!

OffshoreAlert, October 11, 2007

U. S. JUDGE FINES AGORA SUBSIDIARY AND EDITOR $1.5 M FOR SECURITIES FRAUD

An investment newsletter’s publisher and its editor have been hit with $1.5 million in financial penalties after a U. S. federal judge determined they defrauded their own subscribers in a securities scam.

Judgment in favor of the Securities Exchange Commission and against Maryland-based Pirate Investor LLC, now called Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, LLC, and Frank Porter Stansberry was issued at the U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland on August 1, 2007 – 28 months after the completion of a bench trial. The penalty comprises disgorgement of $1.3 million in profits and interest from the fraudulent activity, for which Pirate Investor and Stansberry are jointly and severally liable, plus a fine of $120,000 against each defendant.

U. S. District Judge Marvin J. Garbis found in favor of a third defendant, Pirate Investor’s parent, Agora, Inc., determining that it could not be held liable for the fraudulent statements of its subsidiary simply “by virtue of its ownership and ability to control Pirate”. There was no evidence that Agora, as opposed to Pirate, directly made the false statements at issue, determined Judge Garbis.

The SEC had accused the defendants of fraud concerning a “Special Report” authored by Stansberry, using the pseudonym ‘Jay McDaniel’, about publicly-listed uranium enrichment services provider USEC, Inc. and a promotional “Super Insider Tip Email” offering the Special Report for sale that was distributed on May 14, 2002, after which Pirate Investor sold 1,217 reports for $1,000 each.

The promotional material offered purchasers of the report the opportunity to “double your money” by acting on “inside tips” that Stansberry had obtained from a “senior executive inside the company”, according to the SEC. However, the SEC alleged that the report, which included a claim that Government approval for a lucrative new pricing agreement involving USEC would be announced on May 22, was replete with lies and the judge agreed.

“The Super Insider Solicitation and the Special Report contain numerous statements that were untrue,” he commented. “Some of the untrue statements may not be actionable. [For example, the use of the pseudonym “Jay McDaniel” or even the predictive nature of some statements.] However, the essential fraudulent element – the misrepresentation that the purveyor of the Special Report had a particular inside source for the precise date on which the stock price would rise – is definitely actionable.”
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Consider the source would be the rule here when viewing the DiSalvo link.

Just google the name PORTER STANSBERRY and you get a whole bunch of information available on this scam artist running a decades old con to get rich. And he uses Alberts "the end is near" scare tactics to laugh all the way to the bank.
 
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danarhea said:
Really? Can you name something in the basement that I brought upstairs? I didn't think so.
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You can't mention that word without violating a Forum rule.

Edit: I've been spanked severely by moderation for that.
 
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