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Obama says people who hate him don't know him

Barbbtx said:
However, I would argue that there were fewer people against Irag than has been portrayed.
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I think most people were/are smart enough to realize that if we'd just pulled up shop and left Iraq that the whole place would've imploded and we'd just be right back over there doing the same thing all over again in 5 years.
 
Boo Radley said:
I did always try to, yes. And I think many did. But I found your side prefered not to. The war was a policy. So was tortuing. So was spying on citizens. These were policies.
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How he said "nuclear" wasn't a policy.

How "dumb" he sounded when speaking wasn't a policy.

How he finished a story to kids, or didn't immedietely go to New Orleans isn't a policy.

How he allowed for or planned for 9/11 to happen isn't policy.

How he allegedly went AWOL wasn't a policy.

How he was trying to finish his daddy's war wasn't speaking regarding his policy but his motivations.

How he was Cheney's "puppet" wasn't a policy complaint.

The insults towards how Christian he was and the purposeful misunderstanding and literalizations of things he said to suggest he was crazy and "heard voices" and other such BS wasn't a policy complaint.

The entire halliburton BS wasn't purely policy based.

The way the Left used "Dubya" instead of "W" was with the same obvious sublimal intention as with Hussein, trying to further paint the stereotypical picture that they're trying to depict him as without coming outright and saying it.

Don't feed us this bull**** that somehow Bush was only chastised for Policy reasons but Obama gets so much more heat for non-policy ones.
 
Barbbtx said:
Same way I rectify in my mind the fact that Obama is doing the same thing. I don't.
However, I would argue that there were fewer people against Irag than has been portrayed.
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Gotcha. So polls now, absolutely believable. Polls then, well...um, an argument can be made they were wrong.

And for saying you feel the same way as you do with Obama doing it, why were you just defending Bush for not being like Obama and ignoring pollswhen its clear he DID do just that?
 
Zyphlin said:
Gotcha. So polls now, absolutely believable. Polls then, well...um, an argument can be made they were wrong.

And for saying you feel the same way as you do with Obama doing it, why were you just defending Bush for not being like Obama and ignoring pollswhen its clear he DID do just that?
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I honestly don't remember polls that said a majority of people wanted us to pull out of Iraq.
 
Tucker Case said:
I wanted us to pull out of Iraq because I didn't want Iraq to get pregnant.
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that's why when we entered Iraq, we went in through the backdoor
 
Barbbtx said:
I honestly don't remember polls that said a majority of people wanted us to pull out of Iraq.
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Gallop in 2005 (long before pull outs really began, hell before the opposite of pull outs...the surge...began): Nearly six in 10 Americans say the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq

CBS/NYT in 2008 regadring a time table: Sixty-four percent of those surveyed favor setting a timetable for a U.S. troop pullout by 2008

We could go back to the health care debate as well and show that, while a majority of people dislike the health care law now, the largest majority of people during the time of the debate were in favor of "free" single payer government health care in many polls. Yet we would not suggest Republicans in congress should've gone along with it because that's what the polls say the people want.

A politician needs to take into account what people in the country want a believe. Polls are one way to know that, but they're not the only tool. And it should not, in any way, be the only thing a politician uses to determine what to do because by and large the public is self-interested and short sited.
 
Tucker Case said:
Didn't we have maneuver past some Kurds when we did that?
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As i recall, the Kurds weren't the concern. The big fear was gas attacks......


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Politically I dislike Obama. Politics aside, I like him.

It gets old when all sides spread their vitreol.
 
Wake said:
Politically I dislike Obama. Politics aside, I like him.

It gets old when all sides spread their vitreol.
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I don't hate the guy. Seems like a really good husband and father, which I always respect.

I just don't think he thinks much of the Constitution or America in general. I think he wants a Europeanized version of America.
 
Erod said:
I think he wants a Europeanized version of America.
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I can agree with that. many of those on the left side of the political spectrum seem to have a romanticised view of the European system.
 
I don't hate the man, I have never met him. Hate is a pretty strong emotion that I think has to be rooted in some personal contact to arrive at such an emotion. However, I don't like him based on his demeanor, his lying, his arrogance, and his vision of what America is.


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Tucker Case said:
I wonder why O'Reilly would accuse people of hating Obama if it wasn't true?:ssst:
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Speaking in generalities often gets people in trouble when held to the light of critical thinking. No different really than Matthews comparing the MB to the American Tea party.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Speaking in generalities often gets people in trouble when held to the light of critical thinking. No different really than Matthews comparing the MB to the American Tea party.


j-mac
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But O'Reilly wasn't speaking in generalities. He said "Some people rally hate you." and when Obama tried to downplay it by saying that people "dislike" him, O'reilly made it a point to stress that it was HATE.

Why would he do that if he didn't actually believe that some people really do hate Obama? You'd think it would be detrimental for O'Reilly's side to go that route, no?
 
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Barbbtx said:
13. We don't hate Obama, we hate his policy.

I wanted to throw my shoe at the TV when O'Reilly started talking about all the people who "hate" Obama.
In my opinion, that is just not true. I absolutely hate the things Obama is trying to do, but I don't hate the man. All anyone has to do is look at the polls. His personal approval ratings always continue to remain high. People like him as a person. He just happens to be the worst President ever for America.
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Oh GEEZ! What a day this is turning out to be! I find myself in agreement with Princess Pelosi. :(

Pelosi Criticizes O‘Reilly for ’Hate’ Question During Obama Interview | The Blaze
 
Barbbtx said:
13. We don't hate Obama, we hate his policy.

I wanted to throw my shoe at the TV when O'Reilly started talking about all the people who "hate" Obama.
In my opinion, that is just not true. I absolutely hate the things Obama is trying to do, but I don't hate the man. All anyone has to do is look at the polls. His personal approval ratings always continue to remain high. People like him as a person. He just happens to be the worst President ever for America.
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Really? Worse than Pierce, Buchanan?
 
I'm sure Barack Obama is a wonderful husband and father. That doesn't matter.

Obama is the representative of all American leftists. I hate all leftists. Thus, I hate Obama.
 
Barbbtx said:
13. We don't hate Obama, we hate his policy.

I wanted to throw my shoe at the TV when O'Reilly started talking about all the people who "hate" Obama.
In my opinion, that is just not true. I absolutely hate the things Obama is trying to do, but I don't hate the man. All anyone has to do is look at the polls. His personal approval ratings always continue to remain high. People like him as a person. He just happens to be the worst President ever for America.
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Barbbtx said:
Anything posted about Palin brings her haters out, like cockroaches when the lights turned off.
They can't help themselves. I guess the article has merit.
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Sarah Palin has TV shows, book deals, speech deals and she's hated on a personal level but Obama isn't? YOU ****ING PARTISAN HYPOCRITE.
 
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Boo Radley said:
More's the pity. Bush did us great harm.
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How exactly. This I would love to hear.
As for his birth certificate: He should provide it. His middle name is his middle name... just as Libs used Milhouse at every turn, and Barry Hussein Sotero Obama once fancied his middle name. There was a third inanity you whined about, in an attempt to show people hate him. Whatever it was it was just as useless. We despise his policies. I don't know who he is... and I bet Brokaw, and Rose still don't know who Obama is... except he's surely an ACORN-Alinsky trained instigator.

Tucker: You weren't old enough to recall the Carter years and Stagflation it seems. I was politcally aware not long after that, and recall a family member saying he was thinking of leaving the US at that time. It was a time of American demise, where people thought America was over and done with. Fork stuck into her. Golden times... dead.

Obama is as bad or worse. His list since before Day 1 is a continuus stream of incomeptence and bad judgment.

O'Reilly... was disappointing. He could have asked about the SOTU speech and BHO's spend and spend mentality. He could have said... you just said the Egyptian government should heed the call of the masses. How about you Mr. President? You just got beaten in a historic manner in races all across the nation. He could have asked about investments he wants to make aren't better made by provate companies keeping their own money, and haven't these bajillions of previous investments failed? He could have asked about the stimulus and why it didn't work. There no shovel ready jobs, so where did the money go? He had an endless stream of questions to ask The Ruinous One, and he softballed it worse than Larry King.

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