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Obama says people who hate him don't know him

At one time I might have agreed. However I find Obama way too arrogant and unwilling to listen. He thinks he knows what's best and is determined to cram his policies down our throats. It's like the election in Nov. never happened in his eyes. He still wants to spend, he's still dedicated to that crappy HC bill, and I still don't see him doing anything to make us energy independent by letting us use our own resources. Every day it seems we are doing something that grows government. Hec, now we have a hotline to the WH where unhappy employees can call and get a lawyer. What next? Maybe a hotline where I can call and complain if I get a roll of not so soft, Angel Soft toilet paper?
I'm sick and tired of our country being turned into a nanny state.

Well...Barb....isn't the POTUS..."The decider"? .....LOL
 
Bush assures Carter won't be the worst of all. :coffeepap

I wasn't a Bush fan at the very beginning or at the very end. However, I'd take him back in a heartbeat over Omama.
 
Personally, after reading up on Carter, I think he gets a bum wrap. He made some mistakes, sure, but he wasn't anywhere near the failure he gets portrayed as. I'd say he was mediocre.
 
Well...Barb....isn't the POTUS..."The decider"? .....LOL

No, he works for the people. His decisions should be based on what they want for the country, not his vision of what he wants the country to be.
 
Personally, after reading up on Carter, I think he gets a bum wrap. He made some mistakes, sure, but he wasn't anywhere near the failure he gets portrayed as. I'd say he was mediocre.

Agreed. Much of what he did stands today. ;)
 
I wasn't a Bush fan at the very beginning or at the very end. However, I'd take him back in a heartbeat over Omama.

More's the pity. Bush did us great harm.
 
Then would should stay on policy. No birther ****. No over emphazing his middle name. No teleprompter nonsense. But speak to the policies.

Just like you guys did Bush, eh?
 
Judge a man by his actions.
 
No, he works for the people. His decisions should be based on what they want for the country, not his vision of what he wants the country to be.

/facepalm

It's almost like you think he sits in his office and dictates everything he wants on a whim...

And you feel like the only people who inhabit your country, are people with your views and he's the only person of 300 million people that has his views...
 
More's the pity. Bush did us great harm.

No...he didn't. He will be remembered well one day.

Never has a president been attacked with such unwarranted vitriole as Bush.
 
/facepalm

It's almost like you think he sits in his office and dictates everything he wants on a whim...

And you feel like the only people who inhabit your country, are people with your views and he's the only person of 300 million people that has his views...

Ditto, much?
 
No...he didn't. He will be remembered well one day.

Never has a president been attacked with such unwarranted vitriole as Bush.

I didn't agree with much Bush did, but I think he will be judged much kinder in the future than he is now.
 
No...he didn't.

Yes he did, but we'll never agree on that so I won't bother justifying my view on that.

He will be remembered well one day.

He's already remembered well ;)


Never has a president been attacked with such unwarranted vitriole as Bush.

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All presidents get it pretty bad dogg.
 
While I don't like many of Obama's policies as well (he isn't left enough for me), I find it far-fetched to say that he's the worst President ever. I think that we'll have to look at all of this in hindsight and then we'll be able to tell.

Absolutely agree here. I by no means am a fan of Obama, and think he's done a number of things that are not going to be good for the country in the long run. That said, its ridiculous to start slapping the "worst" or "greatest" ever line on people in less than 20 years after they've been gone. To truly determine such you've got to honestly and objectively look at the scope of their actions and time in office and see what materialized and what didn't. We live in such an immediete justification world, and one that is so hyper partisan, people are always to quick to leap and make historical absolutes about people without any honest and legitimate means of doing it.

Its ridiculous to accuse George Bush, Barack Obama, or hell Bill clinton, as being the worst or the best President ever. Its just too short of a time period to accurately do such. You may suggest that you think in the end they will, or that you think history will end up judging it in one way or another, but to answer it as some kind of unquestionable absolute is poor foolishness.

Which is why I'm shocked, utterly shocked, that some of the biggest hyper partisan party/ideology line hacks we have on the entire site are doing just that. Shocked I tell you.
 
No, he works for the people. His decisions should be based on what they want for the country, not his vision of what he wants the country to be.

Then how do you rectify in your mind the strict adherance to the plans for the War in Iraq back when the poll numbers showed a majority of people upset with it and wanting it to end?
 
/facepalm

It's almost like you think he sits in his office and dictates everything he wants on a whim...

And you feel like the only people who inhabit your country, are people with your views and he's the only person of 300 million people that has his views...

You accuse one side, when the other side did the same thing when Bush was in office.
 
You accuse one side, when the other side did the same thing when Bush was in office.

It's called real life

and

Politics.

I expect this kind of crap, but what use is it to tell the Jet "Waaaah! The other side did it!!!!"

Who the **** cares what "the other side" did? I'm not the "other side" and I was never "the other side" so what "they did" does not have anything to do with me.
 
Just like you guys did Bush, eh?

I did always try to, yes. And I think many did. But I found your side prefered not to. The war was a policy. So was tortuing. So was spying on citizens. These were policies.
 
I would love to see just one conservative, just one, argue that history will be the judge of Obama's policies like so many of them did for Bush.

Ask and ye shall receive!

Absolutely agree here. I by no means am a fan of Obama, and think he's done a number of things that are not going to be good for the country in the long run. That said, its ridiculous to start slapping the "worst" or "greatest" ever line on people in less than 20 years after they've been gone. To truly determine such you've got to honestly and objectively look at the scope of their actions and time in office and see what materialized and what didn't.

God bless you, Zyph. There's a good reason you are one of my all-time favorite conservatives around here. :lol:
 
No...he didn't. He will be remembered well one day.

Never has a president been attacked with such unwarranted vitriole as Bush.

Maybe with a enough drugs and revisionist history (or dementia), but I doubt there are that many drugs in the world.
 
Then how do you rectify in your mind the strict adherance to the plans for the War in Iraq back when the poll numbers showed a majority of people upset with it and wanting it to end?

Same way I rectify in my mind the fact that Obama is doing the same thing. I don't.
However, I would argue that there were fewer people against Irag than has been portrayed.
 
Absolutely agree here. I by no means am a fan of Obama, and think he's done a number of things that are not going to be good for the country in the long run. That said, its ridiculous to start slapping the "worst" or "greatest" ever line on people in less than 20 years after they've been gone. To truly determine such you've got to honestly and objectively look at the scope of their actions and time in office and see what materialized and what didn't. We live in such an immediete justification world, and one that is so hyper partisan, people are always to quick to leap and make historical absolutes about people without any honest and legitimate means of doing it.

Its ridiculous to accuse George Bush, Barack Obama, or hell Bill clinton, as being the worst or the best President ever. Its just too short of a time period to accurately do such. You may suggest that you think in the end they will, or that you think history will end up judging it in one way or another, but to answer it as some kind of unquestionable absolute is poor foolishness.

Which is why I'm shocked, utterly shocked, that some of the biggest hyper partisan party/ideology line hacks we have on the entire site are doing just that. Shocked I tell you.

Jimmy Carter would be tough to out-do on the "worst" scale. I'll give you that.

I will say this. Never has a president been this over his head before, given the complicated times we live in. His paper-thin resume is constantly obvious.
 
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