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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    However, I would argue that there were fewer people against Irag than has been portrayed.
    I think most people were/are smart enough to realize that if we'd just pulled up shop and left Iraq that the whole place would've imploded and we'd just be right back over there doing the same thing all over again in 5 years.
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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I did always try to, yes. And I think many did. But I found your side prefered not to. The war was a policy. So was tortuing. So was spying on citizens. These were policies.
    How he said "nuclear" wasn't a policy.

    How "dumb" he sounded when speaking wasn't a policy.

    How he finished a story to kids, or didn't immedietely go to New Orleans isn't a policy.

    How he allowed for or planned for 9/11 to happen isn't policy.

    How he allegedly went AWOL wasn't a policy.

    How he was trying to finish his daddy's war wasn't speaking regarding his policy but his motivations.

    How he was Cheney's "puppet" wasn't a policy complaint.

    The insults towards how Christian he was and the purposeful misunderstanding and literalizations of things he said to suggest he was crazy and "heard voices" and other such BS wasn't a policy complaint.

    The entire halliburton BS wasn't purely policy based.

    The way the Left used "Dubya" instead of "W" was with the same obvious sublimal intention as with Hussein, trying to further paint the stereotypical picture that they're trying to depict him as without coming outright and saying it.

    Don't feed us this bull**** that somehow Bush was only chastised for Policy reasons but Obama gets so much more heat for non-policy ones.

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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Same way I rectify in my mind the fact that Obama is doing the same thing. I don't.
    However, I would argue that there were fewer people against Irag than has been portrayed.
    Gotcha. So polls now, absolutely believable. Polls then, well...um, an argument can be made they were wrong.

    And for saying you feel the same way as you do with Obama doing it, why were you just defending Bush for not being like Obama and ignoring pollswhen its clear he DID do just that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotcha. So polls now, absolutely believable. Polls then, well...um, an argument can be made they were wrong.

    And for saying you feel the same way as you do with Obama doing it, why were you just defending Bush for not being like Obama and ignoring pollswhen its clear he DID do just that?
    I honestly don't remember polls that said a majority of people wanted us to pull out of Iraq.
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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I honestly don't remember polls that said a majority of people wanted us to pull out of Iraq.
    I wanted us to pull out of Iraq because I didn't want Iraq to get pregnant.

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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I wanted us to pull out of Iraq because I didn't want Iraq to get pregnant.
    that's why when we entered Iraq, we went in through the backdoor
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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's why when we entered Iraq, we went in through the backdoor
    Didn't we have maneuver past some Kurds when we did that?

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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

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    Didn't we have maneuver past some Kurds when we did that?
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    Re: Obama says people who hate him don't know him

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I honestly don't remember polls that said a majority of people wanted us to pull out of Iraq.
    Gallop in 2005 (long before pull outs really began, hell before the opposite of pull outs...the surge...began): Nearly six in 10 Americans say the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq

    CBS/NYT in 2008 regadring a time table: Sixty-four percent of those surveyed favor setting a timetable for a U.S. troop pullout by 2008

    We could go back to the health care debate as well and show that, while a majority of people dislike the health care law now, the largest majority of people during the time of the debate were in favor of "free" single payer government health care in many polls. Yet we would not suggest Republicans in congress should've gone along with it because that's what the polls say the people want.

    A politician needs to take into account what people in the country want a believe. Polls are one way to know that, but they're not the only tool. And it should not, in any way, be the only thing a politician uses to determine what to do because by and large the public is self-interested and short sited.

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