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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    On the contrary, it would be very difficult for any Turkish leader to rationalize leaving Cyprus' Turkish ethnic minority to an uncertain or worse fate. That Turkey's military intervention was "illegal" under international law was a lesser consideration for Turkey's government.
    Agreed, but can we not say the same about the Russia and South Ossetia?

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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Agreed, but can we not say the same about the Russia and South Ossetia?
    Both the Turkish intervention in Cyprus and the Russian intervention in Georgia were strictly illegal under international law...
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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Both the Turkish intervention in Cyprus and the Russian intervention in Georgia were strictly illegal under international law...
    Legality is not morality, in both cases these interventions prevented the mass slaughter of innocent people, regardless of what we think of those intervening.
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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Agreed, but can we not say the same about the Russia and South Ossetia?
    Of course, we can. Moreover, Russia delivered on its warnings to Georgia that any attempts by Georgia to use force to resolve the disputes with Abkhazia and South Ossetia would lead to Russian military intervention. Russia acts in terms of its interests. IMO, it would have been quite extraordinary had Russia refrained from military action after having made abundantly clear that certain "red lines" existed and after those "red lines" had been crossed. The bottom line is that power and interests matter and, at times, they take precedence over international law when it comes to nations' actions.

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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Legality is not morality, in both cases these interventions prevented the mass slaughter of innocent people, regardless of what we think of those intervening.
    Mass slaughter of innocent people???
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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Mass slaughter of innocent people???
    Are you even aware what happened in Cyprus? Politicians and international observers alike are quick to put down Turkeys actions as wrong only on the basis of its legality, an ignorant and close minded perspective it is. International law does not always work for the preservation of the rights of citizens. In this case Turkey took it apon themselves to do what international law and the international community would not. Turkeys actions has gaurenteed the sustained and long term existence of a people who had been cast aside and left for dead in the name of what is and what isnt legal.
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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Are you even aware what happened in Cyprus? Politicians and international observers alike are quick to put down Turkeys actions as wrong only on the basis of its legality, an ignorant and close minded perspective it is. International law does not always work for the preservation of the rights of citizens. In this case Turkey took it apon themselves to do what international law and the international community would not. Turkeys actions has gaurenteed the sustained and long term existence of a people who had been cast aside and left for dead in the name of what is and what isnt legal.

    Funny thing is, when I was in grad school (political science), one of my collegues was a young lady from Turkish Cyprus. She was very ANTI-Turkey and blamed Turkey for the problems on the island country.
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    Re: Turkish PM enrages Turkish Cypriots

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Funny thing is, when I was in grad school (political science), one of my collegues was a young lady from Turkish Cyprus. She was very ANTI-Turkey and blamed Turkey for the problems on the island country.
    She was probably another left winger who supported the Republican Peoples Party. They have a nack for historical revisionism and believe the solution to the islands problems lies in the end of the Turkish and Greek cultural identity and in the creation of a single "Cypriot" identity that has no "ethnic" boundaries of divisions.

    They are practically convinced that both sides are not descendent's of there respective mainlands but are there own people and that the cause of there plight has been made by the exploitation of different religious groups among the "Cypriot people" by foreign entities such as the British, Turks and Greeks. In effect, they deny there own history and are apologists to the EOKA and Samsun regimes and are the same people who are currently mass protesting in the Northern Cypriot capital for the end of Ankara's influence on the island, merely because Erdogan has said Turkey will no longer spoon feed the nation and provide excessive state aid and regular national bail outs.

    Turkish Cypriots are notorious for living beyond there means. The average Turkish Cypriot civil worker earns excessive benefits and pay for working little. A cleaner gets paid the same amount as a teacher in the private sector and doctors earn tens of thousands monthly and are exempt from various taxes. Most TC households have Mercedez Benz cars and claim 13 months a year worth of wages (dont ask). There is no industry here because we expect Turkey to deliver us low cost consumer goods and industrial material and the primary sector is virtually non-existent. The government cannot afford any of this spending....not in terms of sustainability even, i mean LITERALLY. They do not have the means to meet the pay of the state sector and they just take out debt on top of debt and when they are about to blow up Turkey runs in and rescues us and the process reboots....cause we know Turkey will fund our unsustainable habits. Take disability benefits as an example. The average disability benefit is 3000TL or $1875 a month.

    Oh, but our dock workers! Those working at the Docks are the TC national icons for waste and excessive money plundering. They earn $2000 every month for working 8 to 2pm, literally sitting on there arses and drinking tea all day while the mainlanders break there backs and get paid minimum wage!

    All the money being poured into that island by Turkey is just a lost penny for the mainlanders considering the amount of money and industry Turkey is innovating, but they have started to wonder where there 30+ years of excessive state aid and continous bailouts are going. And that realization was sparked by the bankruptcy of the Cypriot national carrier and the fact that the government "had no money to bail it out". That put a huge ? on the mainlanders head, who probably thought. "Wait a minute? What about the billions we have been giving you for the past 30 years?".
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