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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Or you know, that is what Ed called him first...
    I know, but the doncster repeated the name, and it does seem so fitting. Jug Ears. It flows and resonates. I like it!

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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Does anyone remember the name Ayman al Zawahiri? He's no. 2 in Al Qaeda. He is Egyptian and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Americans have such short memories.
    Yet after Al Qaeda got organized they denounced the brotherhoods for reforming as a nonviolent organization and accused them of "betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their 'jihad' in favor of forming political parties and supporting modern state institutions.Kinda odd wouldn't you say Al?
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    I ask for your thoughts, not some hot air blog.
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I ask for your thoughts, not some hot air blog.
    It's all there. Can't help you if you choose ignorance.

    ta ta.

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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Yet after Al Qaeda got organized they denounced the brotherhoods for reforming as a nonviolent organization and accused them of "betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their 'jihad' in favor of forming political parties and supporting modern state institutions.Kinda odd wouldn't you say Al?
    I don't agree. I think the Muslim Brotherhood is like Hezbollah. Hezbollah has a charitable wing and an armed wing. One organization with two divisions.

    Edit: Strike the word "armed" and replace it with the word "Islamist."
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    It's all there. Can't help you if you choose ignorance.

    ta ta.
    Ok, then explain to me how president Obama gave the brotherhood the green light?
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Obviously, it wouldn't be a good thing if they got too much say in a new Egyptian government.

    But I don't see how they can be possibly excluded. They are an important group in the opposition. Oppression is what caused these revolts in the first place.

    And I guess it's too early to become alarmist anyways. IIRC, the Muslim Brotherhood would hardly win more than 10% to 15% in free elections. That means they may become part of a new government, but hardly the dominant part -- or could they? I may be wrong, but I trust the Egyptian people and their love for freedom enough to assume they don't want to replace secular tyranny with theocratic islamist tyranny. Or at least a sufficient share of them.
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    The Brotherhood & co are only 1/6th of the Parliament but the largest single party among many factions.
    This despite being Suppressed by Mubarak.

    I posted an estimate the other day (mine and a secular opposition leader) that this would Double without that suppression.

    So they can't leave out what is the largest single party by far at app 1/3 of the electorate; 'The Hood'.
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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Is the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood in some capacity in a new Egyptian govt. a positive development from the standpoint of the interests of the American people?

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    Re: Egypt protests: Muslim Brotherhood 'to join talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Is the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood in some capacity in a new Egyptian govt. a positive development from the standpoint of the interests of the American people?
    Isn't freedom in the interest of America?

    You could argue that free elections and an end to Mubarak's tyranny is a cause Americans should appreciate, because that's the essense of Western values. America even invaded Iraq to advance these very values of freedom. That the Muslim Brotherhood gets influence once authoritarian rule ends, is an unfortunate side effect.

    If America kept supporting a tyrant, just because this tyrant is friendly towards the US and its interests, could damage America's interests by damaging America's credibility -- especially when this tyrant uses violence to oppress or even strike down a mass protest supported by a majority of the population.

    The problem is just that freedom is risky in this case.
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