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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    If the president's helicopters are built in China the Chinese will install listening devices and homing beacons. I am not kidding.
    Your paranoia is really getting to you. China would build the airframe, but all electronics and other goodies would be installed domestically. It would be trivial to find any listening device, and the Chinese aren't stupid enough to try. I don't think letting the Chinese manufacture the presidents helicopters are a good idea, but that is more to inconsistent quality control than some kind of stupid conspiracy.

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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Your paranoia is really getting to you. China would build the airframe, but all electronics and other goodies would be installed domestically. It would be trivial to find any listening device, and the Chinese aren't stupid enough to try. I don't think letting the Chinese manufacture the presidents helicopters are a good idea, but that is more to inconsistent quality control than some kind of stupid conspiracy.
    There is no conspiracy. And I have no problems with the Han. I prefer them to most Americans. But allowing a peer military competitor to manufacture and/or assemble equipment for the US CIC is foolhardy because of the temptation it presents.

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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Slippery slope" arguments are usually fallacious.
    It might be easier for you if you stopped seeing China as an enemy.
    On the contrary, I don't see China as an enemy. I also don't believe in the slippery slope excuse for stagnation. You may peruse my 16,000+ posts for validation on both remarks. However, I do see China for what it is, which is on the other side of the line. Maybe Air Force One can be Russian made? Russia is hardly an enemy these days either, but let's not be stupid. Handing out our national security to be in the hands of foriegners on the other side of the line for the sake of an idea is foolish.

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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    This is beyond stupid. We shouldn't even be buying raw materials for defense contracts from foreign sources.

    Some days I sit back and I sincerely wonder wtf happened to this great country, because things like this were at one time "no brainers". I mourn for the future.

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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Outsourcing is an expression of the free market. I thought you supported that sort of thing?
    I support the free market as much as anyone, however any project that is sentive to national security and/or the military should be US based companies only.
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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    I support free market, China's been subsidizing their companies through state-owned companies and can smother the competitions. That's why competition between countries needs to be more restricted than domestic competition where companies are on even footing. So make importation more expensive, while make production within the US will be a win-win for the US's economy.
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    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    It's not like we're buying anything critical to our national security from them. Producing the helicopters the President uses would not be any serious loss economically or strategically.
    In the sense of "it's only one item, singular product procurement" concept, I agree. It's not like this arrangement would turn into a contract to construct a fleet of helos either for commercial use or for use in our military. But, let's keep this in perspective...

    Before AVIC or it's potential California partner can begin construction on the next generation of Marine One helos, they must first win the bid for the contract with the Defense Department. The only way that happens is if our government becomes so deparate that it uses this venture as a means to help reduce the federal debt even that much. Somehow, I doubt Boeing or Lockheade would accept being out-bid by a foreign entity. It hasn't happened in the near 70 years since WWII and I doubt it happens now.
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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    There is a tremendous amount of ignorance in this thread about defense contracting.
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    Re: China Maneuvers for U.S. Defense Contracts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There is a tremendous amount of ignorance in this thread about defense contracting.
    Why don't you explain to the readers exactly how the procedure works?

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