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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    So because the EDL doesnt find Sharia Law or Liberal Britains tolerance for it fashionable they are hatemongers? I would say its the other way around. Anyone who would label people that disagree with them or would put up with an idealogy that discriminates against Women, gays & people of other religions are the hate mongers here.
    What's you point? The EDL/BNP's ideology is one of discrimination against women, gays and non-Christians. The irony is that they and the militant Islamists have very similar attitudes to minority groups and socially liberal attitudes.
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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What's you point? The EDL/BNP's ideology is one of discrimination against women, gays and non-Christians. The irony is that they and the militant Islamists have very similar attitudes to minority groups and socially liberal attitudes.
    The difference is that the England Defence League and British National Party are on their home soil, while the militant Islamists are guests in foreign lands.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    The difference is that the England Defence League and British National Party are on their home soil, while the militant Islamists are guests in foreign lands.
    The militant Islamists who carried out the 7/7 attacks were 100% British, born and bred. They'd never lived anywhere else. Their brand of Islamism may indeed be a foreign import, but then again, so is neo-Nazism.
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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The militant Islamists who carried out the 7/7 attacks were 100% British, born and bred. They'd never lived anywhere else.
    But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.
    Well, what would you say that assimilation should involve? How does he propose to measure assimilation? And does assimilation prevent someone from attaching to hateful ideologies? Well, clearly not, as the EDL have a hateful, imported ideology and, I'm guessing, are totally assimilated. That is my main problem with this assimilation vs. multi-cultural argument. Two different groups of anti-socials with broadly similar prejudices and hatreds, but one, because they are not white, have 'problems with assimilation', while no one seems interested enough to do something about those whose dangerous behaviour patterns clearly cannot be so described. How are we to get to grips with how to prevent the growth of hate groups when no one seems to have a credible theory that explains their behaviour.
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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Cameron is basically correct. To neuter EDL/BNP type groups, the British Muslim's are going to have to put forth a genuine effort to confront, combat, and expunge Islamic extremism within their community.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.
    The extremist fundamentalist groups he is describing arent interested in becoming a part of Britain...they are interested in Britain becoming Islam. More and more the mosques in England have been turned over to Imams who espouse a more extremist viewpoint. They always stop short of advocating violence in England...that would get them in trouble...but the endorse it elsewhere in Europe. it isnt hard to see the fruits of the poisonous tree. Unless of course you for some reason REFUSE to see it. Or condemn it.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The extremist fundamentalist groups he is describing arent interested in becoming a part of Britain...they are interested in Britain becoming Islam. More and more the mosques in England have been turned over to Imams who espouse a more extremist viewpoint. They always stop short of advocating violence in England...that would get them in trouble...but the endorse it elsewhere in Europe. it isnt hard to see the fruits of the poisonous tree. Unless of course you for some reason REFUSE to see it. Or condemn it.
    Then they are not muslim.

    By the words of the Quran there is no obligation to believe.

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    99. If it had been the lords will,
    they would all have believed
    All who are on Earth!
    Wilt thou then compel mankind
    against their will, to believe!

    100. No soul can believe, except
    By the will of Allah
    By this we can see, that if it had been Allahs plan to make everyone on Earth believe, he would have done so, but in not doing so, he gave man free will, making faith a moral achievement, and non faith a sin, as all of the major religions do. As a complementary proposition, men must not be impatient or angry if they have to content against unfaith, and most important of all, they must gaurd against the temptation of forcing faith. Forced faith is no faith.

    Nor to do the unbeliever harm as long as they are not trying to do harm to you.

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    8. Allah forbids you not
    With regard to those who
    Fight you not for your faith
    Nor drive you out
    of your homes
    from dealing kindly and justly
    with them: for Allah loveth
    Those who are just
    Anyone who wants to make Britain entirely Muslim, has subverted the faith.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    C'mon Jet, those verses don't count.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

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