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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    the perverse politically correct double standard pointed out by the pm is not confined to the uk or even the eu

    Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named - TIME

    the consequences of over looking, here in the states---thirteen mothers' sons and daughters martyred, 30 more wounded

    the first step in recovery is to admit the problem

    CALL IT WHAT IT IS

    not manmade disasters, not overseas contingencies

    my name is abdul and i CONDEMN the murderous mayhem perpetrated on innocent mothers and daughters in the name of my religion

    stay up, all

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Islamism; an entirely separate ideology from Islam...

    You could quote Orwell all day on this forum.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You're better looking than mbig.
    LOL
    Mbig may surprise us

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and what trap is that?
    Oh the usual that we have seen a million times.
    Something with Political Islam occurs = Certain posters jump in with "Look religion of peace at it again!!! SO EVILZ"
    Kinda gets boring and the routine is so common, I just blank out a huge number of posters when it comes to Islam.

    David Cameron. I like him on this issue. He has not blanket judged or blamed all Muslims or Islam for the actions of the minority who are politically motivated. Infact he has done the opposite, moderates should stand with him on this and help him.
    If he removes MCB, I'll like him even more


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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    LOL
    Mbig may surprise us
    Oh the usual that we have seen a million times.
    Something with Political Islam occurs = Certain posters jump in with "Look religion of peace at it again!!! SO EVILZ"
    Kinda gets boring and the routine is so common, I just blank out a huge number of posters when it comes to Islam.
    David Cameron. I like him on this issue. He has not blanket judged or blamed all Muslims or Islam for the actions of the minority who are politically motivated. Infact he has done the opposite, moderates should stand with him on this and help him.
    If he removes MCB, I'll like him even more
    Actually, my understanding of things has gone more like this...

    On this site...BAD...
    "Extremist Muslims are slaughtering innocents"
    Not all Muslims are extremist!
    "Yes...but even those that are not extremist do nothing to police or govern those within thier faith system. They too are responsible! They must do more to stand up against those individuals."
    Well Christians have murdered and slaughtered millions. and besides...you are anti-muslim and a racist!!

    Now...with this OP...
    Mr Cameron-"Extremist findamentalism is the problem and we must call on other Muslims to no longer tolerate extremists"
    Well done Mr Cameron...what a good speech.

    Really dont see the difference.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Oh the usual that we have seen a million times.
    Something with Political Islam occurs = Certain posters jump in with "Look religion of peace at it again!!! SO EVILZ"
    Kinda gets boring and the routine is so common, I just blank out a huge number of posters when it comes to Islam.
    and using Mbig's example, have I ever said this? has Djoop or Grant? Has Mbig?


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    David Cameron. I like him on this issue. He has not blanket judged or blamed all Muslims or Islam for the actions of the minority who are politically motivated. Infact he has done the opposite, moderates should stand with him on this and help him.
    If he removes MCB, I'll like him even more

    He failed in regards to his statement that Islamism is a totally separate ideology which is a monumentally stupid thing to say since it is PART OF Islam and we are dealing with degrees of adherence/belief/action rather than mutually exclusive dichotomies, but other than that he was spot on.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really dont see the difference.
    One gets 'mrs special' approval, the other gets 'blanked out'.

    I always value a personal comment over a sound arguement. I mean, who can do without internetz friends!!

    mbig could be gorgeous muslim girl, and laila a redneck from middle america for all we know.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually, my understanding of things has gone more like this...

    On this site...BAD...
    "Extremist Muslims are slaughtering innocents"
    Not all Muslims are extremist!
    "Yes...but even those that are not extremist do nothing to police or govern those within thier faith system. They too are responsible! They must do more to stand up against those individuals."
    Well Christians have murdered and slaughtered millions. and besides...you are anti-muslim and a racist!!

    Now...with this OP...
    Mr Cameron-"Extremist findamentalism is the problem and we must call on other Muslims to no longer tolerate extremists"
    Well done Mr Cameron...what a good speech.

    Really dont see the difference.
    My understanding differs.

    It usually has gone like this:

    *some sort of attack/event occurs*

    "Religion of peace at it again. Look what those Muslims do"
    Not all Muslims agree with the Extremists. They are the minority
    "That is a trick because according to Islam, you can decieve to infiltrate the West".
    No ... that is a Shia concept which, once again. Are a minority
    "All Muslims support stonings and things because Sharia states it's support"
    Sharia law is a complex law and is based on interpretation. No two Muslims interpretation is the same
    "You are lying, all scholars agree on it"
    For the last time, Islam does not have a unifying body nor will it because we are not a centralized religion similar to that of Catholics.
    "So why doesn't moderate Muslims stop it?! It's because you support it secretly. There is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim anyway"
    How do you propose we Moderate Muslims achieve in something the US has failed?
    "It is your job to police your people".
    Then I ask you again, how do I remove all terrorists
    "LEAVE ISLAM, IT'S THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL".
    Yeah, sorry. No.
    "Islam is a religion of violence and bloodshed."
    All religions have violence in their history and I agree, Islam is just as bad as others but do not pretend Islam is the only religion which has had bloodshed
    "Stop trying to change the subject to cover it up!! The Qu'ran should be changed"
    The Qu'ran cannot be changed but I do support a reinterpretation of it.
    "So you then support this then [enter vague Qu'ran paragraph]. Your people support violence against Non Muslims. That is why you will not stop terrorists"
    I will not actively go abroad to search for terrorists. That is not my job.
    "SEE, SEE! You support terrorists deep down and you know it!"
    *sigh*. Yes, I support terrorists deep down, I worship Osama Bin Laden and I'm planning a terrorist attack right now and I dance naked to the tune of Hitler
    *leaves thread*


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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If he removes MCB, I'll like him even more
    Again what has the MCB specificallly done here? Im know little about them but they seem pretty innocent to me.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    My understanding differs.

    It usually has gone like this:

    *some sort of attack/event occurs*

    "Religion of peace at it again. Look what those Muslims do"
    Not all Muslims agree with the Extremists. They are the minority
    "That is a trick because according to Islam, you can decieve to infiltrate the West".
    No ... that is a Shia concept which, once again. Are a minority
    "All Muslims support stonings and things because Sharia states it's support"
    Sharia law is a complex law and is based on interpretation. No two Muslims interpretation is the same
    "You are lying, all scholars agree on it"
    For the last time, Islam does not have a unifying body nor will it because we are not a centralized religion similar to that of Catholics.
    "So why doesn't moderate Muslims stop it?! It's because you support it secretly. There is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim anyway"
    How do you propose we Moderate Muslims achieve in something the US has failed?
    "It is your job to police your people".
    Then I ask you again, how do I remove all terrorists
    "LEAVE ISLAM, IT'S THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL".
    Yeah, sorry. No.
    "Islam is a religion of violence and bloodshed."
    All religions have violence in their history and I agree, Islam is just as bad as others but do not pretend Islam is the only religion which has had bloodshed
    "Stop trying to change the subject to cover it up!! The Qu'ran should be changed"
    The Qu'ran cannot be changed but I do support a reinterpretation of it.
    "So you then support this then [enter vague Qu'ran paragraph]. Your people support violence against Non Muslims. That is why you will not stop terrorists"
    I will not actively go abroad to search for terrorists. That is not my job.
    "SEE, SEE! You support terrorists deep down and you know it!"
    *sigh*. Yes, I support terrorists deep down, I worship Osama Bin Laden and I'm planning a terrorist attack right now and I dance naked to the tune of Hitler
    *leaves thread*
    I dont disagree that what you said sometimes occurs. There is a reason I very seldom go to ME-tarded threads anymore. However MY impression is that there are people here that pretend fundamentalist Islam simply isnt that big of a deal...its only a small fraction...and besides...blah blah blah. (you took much more of your Saturday typing out the daily tripe than I plan to...)

    Imagine...

    Imagine a thread where the actions of extremist muslims were pointed out, and instead of some rambling blathering excuse on the defense of, the response was simply..."you are right...what scumbags. I agree...ALL should do more to stand against such animals." End thread. No need to apologize for them, no need to excuse or justify. A simple acknowledgement of the obvious...similar to what was done here in the OP.

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    Re: Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Again what has the MCB specificallly done here? Im know little about them but they seem pretty innocent to me.
    It has the mask of being a moderate Islamic group. No way,
    It's roots are in the Extreme version of Islam and not only that, it has links with Pakistan (the majority are Asian - Unrepresentative and unelected, nearly all Men) group of Jamaat-i-Islami (The Godfather of Political Islamism)
    One of the organisations linked and funded by MCB is a senior figure of that extremist group. Even once going so far as saying Al Qaeda is our brethren and there are many more examples I can give. Their boycott of the Holocaust memorial

    They are poison and should be eliminated ASAP.
    UK Government has done no favours to us Moderates by funding them


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