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    Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    You know, being the critic of Barack Obama that I am, I was quite surprised to find this out:

    Under President Barack Obama, immigration enforcement strategy has shifted to finding evidence to criminally charge or fine employers. ICE previously conducted large-scale raids that netted large numbers of employees, many from Mexico and Central America.
    Looks like we agree on something, Mr. President. After all, we wouldn't have illegal aliens in this country is we didn't have crooked employers who are willing to hire them. Good job. On THIS, I support you.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    If we enforced the Laws on the boks and included the serious penalties for emploters we would have a great deal less problems than we have and cut the costs we incur in states from the illegals

    When they Mexicans know they can't work they leave. The threats in AZ caused thousands to flee and move to places like California where Snctuary Cities like L.A., San Diego, and San Francisco where they are now sucking up billions of tax dollars.

    This is about the only Nation in the world that has a policy that allows elected officials to flaunt the law with no penalties.

    If we started to jail people in these Cities who fail to obey the laws things would change and our economic situation would improve.

    I'm not saying the problems would go away but they would get better almost over night.

    We need a federal law that forces people who take the oath of office to live up to it or hit the road or go to jail.

    I took the oath f office a few years ago and it never expires as far as I know. Few in local State or federal office live up to what they swear to, and it's ridiculous that there is no penalty for it.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    If it were up to me, the fine would be Per Illegal Immigrant. That would solve the problem, nice and quick.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Those who hire illegals should be subject to the same assets seizure and forfeiture laws that drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities upon conviction. That also means throwing their ass in prison.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, being the critic of Barack Obama that I am, I was quite surprised to find this out:



    Looks like we agree on something, Mr. President. After all, we wouldn't have illegal aliens in this country is we didn't have crooked employers who are willing to hire them. Good job. On THIS, I support you.

    Article is here.
    I read about this sometime back, and was very, very pleasantly surprised! Good job on this, Obama. (Now build the danged fence! )

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Punishing the employers is the only effective penalty-based strategy to combat unlawful immigration. It just makes sense to punish the people who are circumventing government regulation and engaged in what is basically racketeering, instead of focusing on punishing the immigrants themselves who just want to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

    Of course, we can only truly beat the immigration problem when we relax lawful immigration requirements, and allow a pathway to citizenship for those undocumented workers already here. But as a means of reducing the incentive for new undocumented immigrants, and punishing the employers who deserve it, this is a great plan.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    What do you liberals guess the market for counterfeit documents is worth?? What do you think is the civil risk to an employer who questions the status of a person just because the person can’t or won’t speak English?

    It would cost our economy less to slap a stiff prison term on the illegals than it will to have the employers spend the money necessary to check the documents of all of these people.

    Better yet; let’s pay Mexico to hold the illegals in a Mexican prison for three years. Do that and three froths of the illegals would leave before we could catch them.

    As far as a path to citizenship; sending them back to Mexico where they are citizens is a path I would put them on.

    I agree that we need a reasonable guest worker program that would stipulate that the guest worker could never become a citizen and that their kids would not become citizens either.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    What do you liberals guess the market for counterfeit documents is worth?? What do you think is the civil risk to an employer who questions the status of a person just because the person canít or wonít speak English?

    It would cost our economy less to slap a stiff prison term on the illegals than it will to have the employers spend the money necessary to check the documents of all of these people.

    Better yet; letís pay Mexico to hold the illegals in a Mexican prison for three years. Do that and three froths of the illegals would leave before we could catch them.

    As far as a path to citizenship; sending them back to Mexico where they are citizens is a path I would put them on.

    I agree that we need a reasonable guest worker program that would stipulate that the guest worker could never become a citizen and that their kids would not become citizens either.
    What do you liberals guess the market for counterfeit documents is worth?? What do you think is the civil risk to an employer who questions the status of a person just because the person canít or wonít speak English?
    The is NO civil risk. It's called a form I-9.

    And to call people who believe in employer sanctions Liberals is dishonest. I guess that makes Jamesrage, ChevyDriver, and a number of other Conservatives and Libertarians Liberals in your book. Fact is, if the only argument you have is to call those who disagree with you Liberals, you don't have a dog in the hunt, and should sit on the sidelines and let others debate the issue.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Punishing the employers is the only effective penalty-based strategy to combat unlawful immigration. It just makes sense to punish the people who are circumventing government regulation and engaged in what is basically racketeering, instead of focusing on punishing the immigrants themselves who just want to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

    Of course, we can only truly beat the immigration problem when we relax lawful immigration requirements, and allow a pathway to citizenship for those undocumented workers already here. But as a means of reducing the incentive for new undocumented immigrants, and punishing the employers who deserve it, this is a great plan.
    It's not the only way, because there are so many illegals out there with phony ID's.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not the only way, because there are so many illegals out there with phony ID's.
    And there are so many employers who do not have job applicants fill out I-9 forms, as required by law.
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