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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Some of the perks with hiring illegals is the fact you can pay them sub-standard wages with no benefits and treat them like crap.They are here illegally what they are they going to do complain to a government agency that they are being taken advantage of and mistreated? They can't. Abolishing or lowering minimum wage and entitlement programs is not going to do anything to curb illegal immigration.
    If getting the entitlement programs do nothing in regards to illegal immigration then why do people use "they suck our welfare rolls" arguments? I have delt with illegals that come in my store with state payment cards from the labor department, they somehow get them. The entitlement programs are one of the reasons they come over here illegally, Mexico has no such welfare system there is no welfare system down there (which is a good thing).
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

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    If getting the entitlement programs do nothing in regards to illegal immigration then why do people use "they suck our welfare rolls" arguments? I have delt with illegals that come in my store with state payment cards from the labor department, they somehow get them. The entitlement programs are one of the reasons they come over here illegally, Mexico has no such welfare system there is no welfare system down there (which is a good thing).
    This is a failure of the state to make sure those seeking welfare are actually legal residents of the state. In Oklahoma we do not have this problem because we required that state agencies verify the legal status of someone wanting welfare, driver's license, food stamps and so on.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are saying that it is only the government's job to verify if employees are who they say they and credentials are when they apply for a job? By your logic since investigation is the police's or private investigator's job then employers should not verify the applicant's identity and credentials. What you are trying to do is give scumbags a free pass by making it easy for them to turn a blind eye.
    No.....Im saying its the government's job to control our borders. Since the government wont do it........I guess the over-burdened US Employer will have to take care of it.........like everything else.


    Many of these illegals were children when their parents brought them over here and many of them do have day jobs so yes cracking down on the scum who hire illegals will have an effect. Plus there is the fact that most of the 12-20 million illegals in this country are not murderers, drug dealers, gang bangers and other similar scum. You are deflecting in an attempt to defend the scum who hire illegals.
    I didnt say they all were......but many are.......and your "solution" does in no way what so ever address the filth that should first in line to be deported.


    If that mom and pop store verify the I-9 form, the SS card, ID, birth certificate and so on then that Mom and pop store's ass will be protected because they did everything they could to verify that they were not hiring any illegals.
    Fake documents are a dime a dozen. I guess we should mandate that all employers take classes in spotting fake documents......OR FINE THEM!

    No one is saying it should end with employment except for pro-illegals trying to push for amnesty and shift blame away from the illegals. The reason we should start with scumbags who hire illegals because they are the main reason we have 12-20 million plus illegals in this country. It takes two to tango and both parties involved should be punished. Those who hire illegals are the pieces of **** who are screwing this country over by enticing people to come here illegally. They should get no sympathy what so ever.
    Two to Tango indeed. So lets also start fining The Landlords, The Mortgage Companies, The Utility Companies, and The Grocers.

    .........if Illegals didnt have a home, food, heat, water, and electricity........they wouldnt be coming here or staying here. If its good for the goose.....

    If the mom and pop shops verify the I-9 forms, the driver's licenses, the SS cards and any other documents an applicant presents to them then their ass will be covered and therefore less likely to mistakenly hire an illegal. Cracking down on the scum who hire illegals is not the only solution to the problem of illegal immigration. We can employer local police law enforcement, make it practically impossible for someone to live here illegally, create laws that entice illegals to go back home. owever those are the subject of another thread. The subject of this thread is scumbags who hire illegals.
    Damn right it isnt the only "solution". Here is a crazy idea......lets punish THE ACTUAL CRIMINALS.....rather than all the American Citizens that come after the fact.


    Punishment for Illegals--The Actual Criminals
    1. Warm Bed
    2. Free Food
    3. Free Bus Ride Home
    4. Thank you for coming, please try again.

    Proposed Punsihment For American Citizens who knowingly or unknowingly hire Illegals
    1. Fine them up the ***
    2. Destroy their Business
    3. Throw them in Jail


    Bank Robberies are not the fault of Banks.....Auto Theft is not the fault of Car Owners......and Illegal Immigration is not the fault of the few remaining US Employers.

    The deterrent is only effective as the punishment is harsh. And considering the punishment for Illegaly crossing this border is a warm bed, free food, and a free bus ride........I think the focus should be on punishing THE ACTUAL CRIMINALS......rather than the few US Employers that still reside in this country.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    I strongly disagree. If two guys hold up a liquor store, do we let the getaway driver off? No, we go after his ass too. And employers who hire illegal aliens are their getaway drivers.

    Also, it IS THE LAW they are breaking, when they don't fill out those I-9's. Prosecute the crap out of them.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree. If two guys hold up a liquor store, do we let the getaway driver off? No, we go after his ass too. And employers who hire illegal aliens are their getaway drivers.
    Well in this case the Getaway driver is getting fine/imprisonment.........

    ...........the Robber is getting a warm bed, free food, and a trip back to the liquor store.


    Also, it IS THE LAW they are breaking, when they don't fill out those I-9's. Prosecute the crap out of them.
    F the I-9's....F the 1099's.....get government off my back and out of my business.

    THE LAW begins at the border......at least it used to.......
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    F the I-9's....F the 1099's.....get government off my back and out of my business.
    Tax evasion is a crime whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is a failure of the state to make sure those seeking welfare are actually legal residents of the state. In Oklahoma we do not have this problem because we required that state agencies verify the legal status of someone wanting welfare, driver's license, food stamps and so on.
    It sure is the failure of the state. In California, welfare agencies, schools, state and local agencies, hospitals, law enforcement, landlords and realtors are all prohibited by law from inquiring about the legal status of anyone who seeks services. It is virtually impossible to determine the immigration status of any person living in the state. The only agencies empowered to question legal status are the Border Patrol and ICE agents.

    A couple of years ago, ICE arrested a guy selling fake documents out of the trunk of his car in a mall parking lot. The entire hispanic community went into outrage mode, and practically closed downtown L.A. with a rally of tens of thousands demanding the right to buy fake documents where ever and when ever they wished!

    And people wonder why we're mad as hell.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is a failure of the state to make sure those seeking welfare are actually legal residents of the state. In Oklahoma we do not have this problem because we required that state agencies verify the legal status of someone wanting welfare, driver's license, food stamps and so on.
    It still doesn't negate the fact the entitlement programs are one of the reasons illegals come here. In addition the programs have destroyed the work ethic of those who become dependent on them. Entitlement programs are nothing but another forum of theft by another name. The immigration debate is the perfect time to show why they need to be killed.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, being the critic of Barack Obama that I am, I was quite surprised to find this out:



    Looks like we agree on something, Mr. President. After all, we wouldn't have illegal aliens in this country is we didn't have crooked employers who are willing to hire them. Good job. On THIS, I support you.

    Article is here.
    God forbid we have actual Latinos making Mexican food.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    God forbid we have actual Latinos making Mexican food.
    Legal Mexican immigrants make great Mexican food! And they don't have to drop tortillas on the floor and run everytime someone yells, "Immigration!"

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