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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There are drug dealers who sell drugs to feed their family, thieves who steal and rob from others to feed their family. Many of these criminals do these things to put food on the table. It does not in any shape or form excuse their wrong doing.
    Those people should be punished for selling drugs and stealing, not for crossing an imaginary line for the chance to do honest work. The vast undocumented workers are not criminals, and the few who are should not be a determining factor in our immigration policy. We have a very effective criminal law system to deal with undocumented workers that commit crimes. The undocumented workers who commit no crimes, and only perform honest work, should be encouraged to do so. That is just good economic sense.

    Considering that these immigrants bring a net gain to our economy, and the few of them who do commit crimes are readily dealt with by our criminal system, there is no reason to make it harder for them to come here, stay here, and do honest work here. Frankly, I think it is pretty despicable to get in their way; it hurts us and them, and stinks of xenophobia.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Those people should be punished for selling drugs and stealing, not for crossing an imaginary line for the chance to do honest work.
    Honest work implies that they come here LEGALLY on a visa to work.They did not do that,so they are not doing honest work.


    The vast undocumented workers are not criminals,and the few who are should not be a determining factor in our immigration policy. We have a very effective criminal law system to deal with undocumented workers that commit crimes.
    Illegals are criminals. They have committed a crime.
    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    * Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
    * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
    * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.






    The undocumented workers who commit no crimes, and only perform honest work, should be encouraged to do so. That is just good economic sense.
    Illegal immigration is a crime.Therefore illegals are criminals. They fact they are here illegally and here illegally working means that they are not performing honest work.

    Considering that these immigrants bring a net gain to our economy, and the few of them who do commit crimes are readily dealt with by our criminal system,
    If tax payers have to spend 4-5 billion on them how is it a gain?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...l?daysprune=-1



    there is no reason to make it harder for them to come here, stay here, and do honest work here.
    There are plenty of reasons. Besides that don't poor people in other countries other than besides those south of our border deserve just as much of a chance to come here?


    Frankly, I think it is pretty despicable to get in their way
    There are legal routes for these people to come here here legally.


    ; it hurts us and them, and stinks of xenophobia.
    xenophobia? How so? I do not think any one has said immigration needs to be completely cut off and that we should deport people who have legally came here.


    Seeing how you like to use the dishonest term of "undocumented workers" instead of "illegals", "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" what do you call people who come here illegally but do not work?
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-07-11 at 02:23 PM.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how you like to use the dishonest term of "undocumented workers" instead of "illegals", "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" what do you call people who come here illegally but do not work?
    The only dishonest term is the use of the adjective "illegal" as a noun. That is just an abuse of the English language, and it betrays a poor understand of grammar on your part that you insist on using it. "Undocumented worker" is a correct term for someone who has illicitly crossed the border in order to work.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The only dishonest term is the use of the adjective "illegal" as a noun. That is just an abuse of the English language, and it betrays a poor understand of grammar on your part that you insist on using it. "Undocumented worker" is a correct term for someone who has illicitly crossed the border in order to work.

    Illegal, or unlawful, is used to describe something that is prohibited or not authorized by law or, more generally, by rules specific to a particular situation

    Illegal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The terms "undocumented worker", "undocumented immigrant", and "undocumented alien" are often used to describe those who have broken the law of our land to enter and work in our country illegally. These are all misleading terms, deliberately used to "soften" the issue.

    The term "undocumented" implies that foreign nationals have the unconditional right to violate America's borders and immigration laws.

    An "immigrant" is an invited guest - a person who comes to a country where they are not a citizen in order to settle there. The term "immigrant" implies permanent, legal, residency. (Although because of amnesties and status adjustments, about 25% of currently legal immigrants first came here illegally).

    The accurate description of a foreign national illegally residing in America is illegal alien. An illegal alien is a criminal subject to as much as six months in jail for first offense and subject to federal felony charges for subsequent entries after deportation.

    Terminology - Illegal Aliens, Undocumented Workers, Illegal Immigrant, Anti-immigrant, Immigrant Rights, Reverse Racism, Diversity - CAIR - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform
    Sorry Guy, but you are incorrect. Next.


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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry Guy, but you are incorrect. Next.
    It is you who is incorrect.

    The word "illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. Use it as such.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The only dishonest term is the use of the adjective "illegal" as a noun.
    Illegals, illegal aliens or illegal immigrants are the proper term for some one who comes into this country illegally.



    Illegals | Define Illegals at Dictionary.com
    –noun
    3.
    Informal . illegal alien.

    snip....

    Word Origin & History

    illegal
    1626, from M.L. illegalis, from L. in- "not" (with assimilation of -n- to the following consonant) + legalis (see legal). Term illegal immigrant first recorded 1939 in ref. to Jews entering Palestine without authorization during the British mandate.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal+alien
    –noun
    1.
    a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
    2.
    a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...egal+immigrant
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    illegal alien

    –noun
    1.
    a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
    2.
    a foreigner who enters the U.S. without an entry or immigrant visa, especially a person who crosses the border by avoiding inspection or who overstays the period of time allowed as a visitor, tourist, or businessperson. Compare resident alien.

    That is just an abuse of the English language, and it betrays a poor understand of grammar on your part that you insist on using it.
    You insist on using the term "undocumented worker" and you have the nerve to criticize someone's grammar?



    "Undocumented worker" is a correct term for someone who has illicitly crossed the border in order to work.
    Actually it is not. Undocumented worker is nothing more than a term created by pro-illegals to hide the illegality of the individual who is here illegally. Anyone regardless of legal status can be an undocumented worker if they are working without any documentation,contracts, under the table pay and so.

    Illegal alien | Define Illegal alien at Dictionary.com
    a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-07-11 at 05:09 PM.
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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is you who is incorrect.

    The word "illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. Use it as such.
    Give up dude, you've been outed twice now. And easily I might add. PC language is a tactic now seen through.


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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    They are not illegal aliens, undocumented workers, or illegal immigrants. They are the Replacement Population in exactly the same way that the White Settlers replaced American Indians. Same phenomenon.

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Everyone seems to be missing the real issue here.

    If Chipotle is hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico, doesn't that make Chipotle authentic Mexican cuisine?

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    Re: Immigration probe of Chipotle widens

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I read about this sometime back, and was very, very pleasantly surprised! Good job on this, Obama. (Now build the danged fence! )
    If they actually enforced the law, they wouldnt need the fence...Maybe just a crows nest of snipers every few thousand yards and a free fire zone...

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