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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    I note that the UK's Ministry of Defence has yet to sign the contract for the renewal of the Trident missile system. The revelation that the 'ally' whose industry manufactures the weapons feel justified in breaking its confidentiality agreements surely gives the UK government the perfect excuse to cancel the contract and save itself $54 billion into the bargain. Might that damage the business plans of Lockheed?
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Vicchio, the idea that the United Kingdom and the United States could go to war, is one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard.

    Yeah I ain't happy about all this, but the UK ain't going to war with the US.
    I was making a commentary on European Politics and Russia. But you went... somewhere out in far far left field buddy.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I note that the UK's Ministry of Defence has yet to sign the contract for the renewal of the Trident missile system. The revelation that the 'ally' whose industry manufactures the weapons feel justified in breaking its confidentiality agreements surely gives the UK government the perfect excuse to cancel the contract and save itself $54 billion into the bargain. Might that damage the business plans of Lockheed?
    Or perhaps... the whole "We'll tell you the serial #'s" was a red herring, as the U.S. knew the U.K. wouldn't renew but just used it as a bargaining chip with the Russians to get what we wanted? That would be pretty shrewd.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Or perhaps... the whole "We'll tell you the serial #'s" was a red herring, as the U.S. knew the U.K. wouldn't renew but just used it as a bargaining chip with the Russians to get what we wanted? That would be pretty shrewd.
    It's a theory. Thing is, I suspect that the GB government WILL renew Trident. The strength of the military lobby in the Conservative Party is very strong indeed, and the Special Relationship has always been more important to this lobby than Britain's military independence. I think Obama's 'betrayal' gives strength to the lobby arguing that the UK should think more in terms of strengthening its conventional capabilities and less about maintaining an 'independent' nuclear capability that clearly is no such thing.

    This whole thing does feed into a growing conviction amongst ordinary people that the Special Relationship really only works in one direction.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Or perhaps... the whole "We'll tell you the serial #'s" was a red herring, as the U.S. knew the U.K. wouldn't renew but just used it as a bargaining chip with the Russians to get what we wanted? That would be pretty shrewd.
    Actually, that wouldn't be too surprising. I had a hard time believing that Britain wasn't in on this. This makes a lot of sense.

    I guess we'll see if Britain renews it or not.

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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    This past week, people from both sides of the aisle can begin questioning this man's fitness to serve as leader.

    Giving away secrets after our allies say no is a level of arrogance and danger that is incredulous.
    It begs the question, what else has he done?

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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets - Telegraph


    It's going to take years to recover from the disaster that is Obama.
    Because the Russians are still totally smarting over the terrible defeat they suffered at the hands of the Americans in the Cold War, and are just biding their time waiting for revenge...

    Oh wait. No, the Russians don't see it like that. The Russians think the Americans lost the Cold War even worse than they did, and they now consider the States a declining world power, past its prime. Russia will be perfectly content, and in fact IS perfectly content, to just watch America fall from greatness in the inevitable slow slide of history. Russia has no need to give that slide a push.

    So stop treating them like they're enemies, and start treating them like the partners to you that they are.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    the united states lost the cold war---LOL!

    tell it to the rumanians, czechs, poles, east germans, latvians, bulgarians, kazakhs, uzbeks, turkmen...

    and putin better hope he's NOT our partner

    if he were, he'd have to watch his back

    y'know, with friends like barry

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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Is there any reason to think Russia might want to start a nuclear war with the US and the UK (and by extension all of NATO)?

    History shows no one is really willing to start a nuclear war.

    Furthermore, current events indicate that the least politically stable countries with nuclear weapons are Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran. Russia is not part of that list.

    Repeater.

    Russia has nuclear weapons. What is stable today, in 5 years may not be. We don't know. Prudence demands vigilance. In 1985, had you said the Berlin Wall would come tumbling down, and the USSR would soon dissolve, you'd be laughed at.

    We cannot predict the future. But we can look at the past, and act accordingly.

    Further more, if Russia has no ill intent, why demand this information? I don't imply they are planning a war, but they ARE serious enough about being prepared to demand this information. Only a fool would give it up, and one must question the wisdom of those defending Obama's actions now.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Demon, if we really tried to kill civilization with nukes, we could do it now.
    If we detonate them all in the upper atmosphere thus ****ing with the magnetosphere maybe, but that's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the russians AND the brits disagree

    but hey, who cares what THEY think
    The Brits naturally do not want any information given to another country without their permission and the Russians obviously are more than happy to get any new information on a country. It does not mean this information is really that significant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If confirmed as true .... Someone remind me again why British soldiers are still fighting alongside American soldiers?
    We British should take this as a final nail in the coffin of this bull**** one sided relationship and a lesson to never trust the US.
    It's time for UK to become completely independent with its weapons and outside of US control. They can't be trusted

    **** you Obama.
    Edit: And for those who say it is no big deal, well. Why doesn't US publish it's nuclear arsenal online or email it to China and we'll call it evens? I didn't think so.
    I wouldn't see anything wrong with us giving China serial numbers either, especially if it was part of some quid pro-quo where we get something more substantial accomplished. Such information does not give Russia any real strategic edge they do not already have. Knowing what serial number a nuclear-tipped ballistic missile has is not going to make it any easier to shoot down nor is it going to make the subs carrying the missile any easier to sink.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Per the article, the U.S. and Russia already share nuclear arsenal information. The Brits don't like sharing those numbers and have wanted to keep things hush hush. It seems Obama blew that for them.
    If the Brits wanna keep it hush hush they should build their own damn missiles and stop leeching off us.
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