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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Nothing to see here, folks. Just another debunked fake conservative conspiracy.

    Did Obama Sellout Britain To Russia On Sub Nukes? Nope, Says State Department - Swampland - TIME.com

    Conservative blogs and the British press are agog over a report in London's Daily Telegraph that the U.S. provided certain information about the United Kingdom's submarine-based nuclear missile stockpile to Russia as part of recent arms negotiations. Matt Drudge nearly blew a siren on the "Secret Deal" report, which includes no quotes from either U.S. or British government sources confirming, denying or adding any context to the claim, which was apparently gleaned from a leaked document provided by Wikileaks.

    As is their habit with just about any report about American-British relations, the Telegraph jumps to the conclusion that this revelation "sheds new light on the so-called 'special relationship,' which is shown often to be a one-sided affair." Perhaps the last part is true, but the U.S. State Department maintains that there is little news behind the breathless headlines. State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley emails TIME:

    This is bunk. Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM's [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK's independent nuclear deterrent.


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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Have you tried accessing wikileaks archive? I couldn't do it. Have a go and tell me what you find.
    The State Dept. has not posted the Feb 2nd 2011 document updates. They have the 2010 documents listed only. The only posting I've found about this is at the following:

    GENEVA: AGREED STATEMENTS MEETING - Telegraph

    Specifically #13 which states:
    Quote Originally Posted by Geneva START Agreement - U.K. Telegraph
    13. (S) The second was an agreed statement on the transfer of Tridents II SLBMs to the United Kingdom. Begin text: Document of the Russian side February 9, 2010 Agreed Statement On the movement of SLBM "Trident-II" missiles, transferred by the US to equip the Navy of Great Britain The Parties agree that, in order to increase transparency in relation to the use of "Trident-II" SLBMs, transferred by the United States of America to equip the Navy of Great Britain, the United States of America shall provide notification to the Russian Federation about the time of such transfer, as well as the unique identifier and the location of each of the transferred missiles. The Parties agree that, upon conclusion of the life cycle of "Trident-II" SLBMs transferred by the United States of America to equip the Navy of Great Britain, the United States of America will send notification to the Russian Federation about the time and method of elimination, as well as the unique identifier for each of the transferred missiles. End text.
    If this text is authentic, it identifies not only the transfer from the U.S. to the U.K. of new purchases, but also the missiles retired, presumably to keep an accurate account of the number of missiles in active service.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    i wonder what the Telegraph thought of trading oil for a known, convicted terrorist.

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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Nothing to see here, folks. Just another debunked fake conservative conspiracy.

    Did Obama Sellout Britain To Russia On Sub Nukes? Nope, Says State Department - Swampland - TIME.com

    Oh that is some wonderful logic there....US leaks secret information and gets busted doing so, then says through the State Dept. they didn't and all good eh....More Kool Aid?


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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The State Dept. has not posted the Feb 2nd 2011 document updates. They have the 2010 documents listed only. The only posting I've found about this is at the following:

    GENEVA: AGREED STATEMENTS MEETING - Telegraph

    Specifically #13 which states:


    If this text is authentic, it identifies not only the transfer from the U.S. to the U.K. of new purchases, but also the missiles retired, presumably to keep an accurate account of the number of missiles in active service.
    Wow! Thank you so much for that. I appreciate your taking the time.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh that is some wonderful logic there....US leaks secret information and gets busted doing so, then says through the State Dept. they didn't and all good eh....More Kool Aid?


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    What's that? You might want to wipe away your own koolaid mustache before accusing me. You also might want to read the quote a little more carefully.

    This is bunk. Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM's [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK's independent nuclear deterrent.
    Since your Glenn Beck Decoder Ring TM didn't enable you to properly decipher that quote, let me explain it to you. The agreement was already in the original 1991 START Treaty. It was simply continued in the New START Treaty. So, if you want to bitch, then do so at Bush Sr, because it was his administration that negotiated the 1991 START Treaty. DO you understand now, or do you need sock puppets to better explain it to you? How does that koolaid taste?
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    What's that? You might want to wipe away your own koolaid mustache before accusing me. You also might want to read the quote a little more carefully.



    Since your Glenn Beck Decoder Ring TM didn't enable you to properly decipher that quote, let me explain it to you. The agreement was already in the original 1991 START Treaty. It was simply continued in the New START Treaty. So, if you want to bitch, then do so at Bush Sr, because it was his administration that negotiated the 1991 START Treaty. DO you understand now, or do you need sock puppets to better explain it to you? How's that koolaid taste?

    So who says Bush Sr was anything but a progressive? He did speak about the 'New World Order' did he not?

    I just find it fascinating that you think that because Hillary's stooge P.J. Crowley says 'no we didn't' you take that at face value. If this were a conservative administration you'd be all up in their grill....And you know it.


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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So who says Bush Sr was anything but a progressive? He did speak about the 'New World Order' did he not?
    Now Bush Sr is considered a progressive?

    Only in cuckoo-con-land....

    I just find it fascinating that you think that because Hillary's stooge P.J. Crowley says 'no we didn't' you take that at face value. If this were a conservative administration you'd be all up in their grill....And you know it.


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    I might be if somebody had actual proof. But you don't have that, do you? No source, no quotes. Just fake outrage over an unsubstantiated story.
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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I might be if somebody had actual proof. But you don't have that, do you? No source, no quotes. Just fake outrage over an unsubstantiated story.

    Yeah what ever dude. Tell yourself anything.


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    Re: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah what ever dude. Tell yourself anything.


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    You're the one who seems willing to believe anything. Show me some actual proof, then we can talk. An unsubstantiated story is not proof.


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