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Senate Democrats block GOP bid to repeal health care law

Boo Radley said:
In one respect, you're correct. But, if you want to gain any insight, you need to exmine it a little more.
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Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

The complete rejection of ObamaCare and everything the Democrat party stands for from sea to shining sea........
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Badmutha said:
Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

The complete rejection of ObamaCare and everything the Democrat party stands for from sea to shining sea........
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yes they did, and the number one issue was the economy and not healthcare reform.

However, as Iowa, for example, settles in with the consequences of electing a republican governor, it'll be interesting to see how 2012 goes.
 
Boo Radley said:
yes they did, and the number one issue was the economy and not healthcare reform.

However, as Iowa, for example, settles in with the consequences of electing a republican governor, it'll be interesting to see how 2012 goes.
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And a bad economy often yields losses for the party in power..........

..........but considering we saw THE LARGEST POLITICAL ASS WHOOPING IN HISTORY.......ObamaCare clearly had an impact.
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Badmutha said:
And a bad economy often yields losses for the party in power..........

..........but considering we saw THE LARGEST POLITICAL ASS WHOOPING IN HISTORY.......ObamaCare clearly had an impact.
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I'm afraid you'll have to give more evidence than that. And part of the impact may well have been that those who thought he didn't go far enough stayed home. Either way, it's not good to misjudge what happened. You may be sadly mistaken, and things go differently than you expect.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm afraid you'll have to give more evidence than that. And part of the impact may well have been that those who thought he didn't go far enough stayed home. Either way, it's not good to misjudge what happened. You may be sadly mistaken, and things go differently than you expect.
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For the first time in American History.....a President and Congress went against The Overwhelming Will Of The American People......and shoved a subprime health care bill to nowhere down our throats.

Whether it was dissatisfaction with the bill itself.....or the act of Tyranny behind it......ObamaCare had an impact.
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Badmutha said:
For the first time in American History.....a President and Congress went against The Overwhelming Will Of The American People......and shoved a subprime health care bill to nowhere down our throats.

Whether it was dissatisfaction with the bill itself.....or the act of Tyranny behind it......ObamaCare had an impact.
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Hardly. The people have been sadly misinformed and suffering from a serious disconnect, wanting the benefits but not wanting any method to pay for them.
 
disneydude said:
You obviously haven't been following along for long. The mandate WAS a Republican idea.
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This spin of late isn't going to get you guys anywhere. So Republicans suggested the public option be mandated....ok.
 
Erod said:
This spin of late isn't going to get you guys anywhere. So Republicans suggested the public option be mandated....ok.
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It's not a spin. I'll get the article in a second. This was already in a discussion earlier. And not the public option, but the health insurance mandate.

Originally Posted by Ockham
"I'm totally willing to accept that it was initially a Republican idea... I just want to see someone other Meowmix over here show me a source. I'm not asking for a dissertation or thesis with footnotes -- I mean, if it's that hard to man up and produce it, the obvious answer is the whole claim is bull****."

Republicans Hatched Idea for Obama's Health Insurance Mandate - FoxNews.com

Ockham said:
Beautiful. This at least provides a starting point - now I can go back and look at alternatives to Hillary Care and what arguments Republicans gave at that time. And for the record: The Mandate was a Republican idea.
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Go to this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orm-act-ruled-unconstitutional-edited-35.html
 
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good luck selling the electorate on the idea that THE MANDATE which republicans are working their butts off to kill and a good 80% of the party still in power is desperately attempting to preserve, which was CRAMMED down american throats via senate RECONCILIATION mere days after pelosi was prepared to DEEM it, which made it to the president's desk with ZERO gop'ers upstairs and ONE in lower house, is the REPUBLICANS' RESPONSIBILITY

LOL!

hey, maybe you could explain to the voters about the NIXON administration

or NINETEEN NINETY THREE

that's sure to go over, y'know, TODAY

even better than it did on tsunami tuesday

meanwhile, live it, libs, love it

it's all YOURS
 
The bush tax cuts also originally passed via reconciliation. Would you quantify that as also "cramming it down america's throat?".

No, because it lives up to your ideals, which make it good.
 
big picture, boys and girls

just what do YOU think it means when NOBODY wants to own it?

THE MANDATE, i mean

what do YOU think it means to, y'know, the FUTURE OPERATION of obamacare when the primary payfor it depends upon is being actively DISINHERITED by its authors?

seeya on the floor, folks

tell SENATOR MCCASKILL the mandate is ALL GOP

LOL!
 
Also, you're making it sound as if all the Republicans voted against it because of the mandate.

"Brown, whose election to replace the late Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy almost led to the collapse of Obama's plan, said his opposition to the new law is over tax increases, Medicare cuts and federal overreach on a matter that should be left up to states. Not so much the requirement, which he voted for as a state lawmaker."

Many GOP senators had taken vows to vote down anything with new taxes, which is why they voted no.
 
iamitter said:
The bush tax cuts also originally passed via reconciliation. Would you quantify that as also "cramming it down america's throat?".
No, because it lives up to your ideals, which make it good.
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No.....because an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS supported the tax cuts.

Now if you have any major piece of legislation that was passed against the overwhelming will of the American people........lets hear it.

............in the meantime..........WELCOME TO TYRANNY..........
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Boo Radley said:
Hardly. The people have been sadly misinformed and suffering from a serious disconnect, wanting the benefits but not wanting any method to pay for them.
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......Tyrants and government know best.
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Democratic Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska is a dead man walking. He can't even go out to dinner in Omaha without getting heckled.
 
Badmutha said:
No.....because an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS supported the tax cuts.

Now if you have any major piece of legislation that was passed against the overwhelming will of the American people........lets hear it.

............in the meantime..........WELCOME TO TYRANNY..........
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At the time of the bill's creation, a majority of people supported the public option. What's your point?
 
Because the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said the health care reform law will lower the deficit, Democrats argued that repealing it would increase the deficit.
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If the deficit would be at 'X' in 5 years... and the health care law would allegedly have lowered it to 'Y' in 5 years... and the law is repealed... all that means is the deficit would be right where it was originally going to be in 5 years. You can't call it an increase in the deficit, since it has yet to decrease it in the first place.
 
iamitter said:
You're straying off the point.
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man, you're so stuck in the past i need a telescope even to SEE your argumentations

voters do not look at politics thru a LENS

meanwhile, THE MANDATE is but one of this PIG'S prodigious problems

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

ER visits, costs climb - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

Senate passes doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

live it, libs, love it

proudly, progressives

don't RUN AWAY FROM IT

it's all YOURS
 
The Prof said:
man, you're so stuck in the past i need a telescope even to SEE your argumentations

voters do not look at politics thru a LENS

meanwhile, THE MANDATE is but one of this PIG'S prodigious problems

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

ER visits, costs climb - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

Senate passes doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

live it, libs, love it

proudly, progressives

don't RUN AWAY FROM IT

it's all YOURS
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I didn't say whether it was a good or bad idea.

My arguments were
1) You said this was not a republican idea.
You were wrong.
2) Republicans didn't vote for this because of the mandate.
You were wrong, here, too.

That was my point. That what you said was factually incorrect, regardless of how the people perceive this.
 
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