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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

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    You are right, 9/11 had nothing to do with our invasion of Iraq. Regime change in Iraq was planned at least 8 months before the 9/11 attack.

    "And what happened at President Bush's very first National Security Council meeting is one of O'Neill's most startling revelations.

    “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

    “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”

    As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.
    The US wanted a regime change in iraq long before 9/11. Both Bush jr and senior and Clinton wanted it. It wasn't a secret that the US has worked to undermine Saddam since the Gulf War. Is this news to you?
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

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    The US wanted a regime change in iraq long before 9/11. Both Bush jr and senior and Clinton wanted it. It wasn't a secret that the US has worked to undermine Saddam since the Gulf War. Is this news to you?
    No, that is not news to me, but neither Bush Sr. or Clinton was willing to mislead the public in order to take the country to war with a long occupation to accomplish it.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The US wanted a regime change in iraq long before 9/11. Both Bush jr and senior and Clinton wanted it. It wasn't a secret that the US has worked to undermine Saddam since the Gulf War. Is this news to you?
    I don't know about Clinton, who pretty much had his hands full with the Balkans, but Bush Jr. clearly came into office with regime change in Iraq on his agenda. He said so during the 2000 campaign. I'm sure plans were already on the drawing board for a full-scale invasion before 9/11 happened. But 9/11 DID happen and threw a real monkey-wrench into his plans for Iraq. Now he had to deal with Afghanistan.

    Well, if Bush had put someone competent in charge of Afghanistan instead of Rumsfeld, we would have hit Afghanistan with all the military might we could muster, which meant that once we had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora, we'd have finished the sucker off permanently. But no. If Bush had done that, he wouldn't have enough military left to implement his invade-Iraq plans. Soooooooo he gave Rummy the go-ahead to put only a quarter of our troops into Afghanistan so that when we trapped bin Laden at Tora Bora, we didn't have enough USA soldiers to seal the deal. We had to use Afghani soldiers to surround the place... you know, the same soldiers that bin Laden knew on a first-name basis... and they just waved as Al Qaeda filed right past them into Pakistan.

    The first of many unforgiveable military blunders of the next eight years, blunders which have resulted in us being bogged down in a quagmire of TWO wars for nearly a decade, with no end in sight.

    Color me pissed.

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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't know about Clinton, who pretty much had his hands full with the Balkans, but Bush Jr. clearly came into office with regime change in Iraq on his agenda. He said so during the 2000 campaign. I'm sure plans were already on the drawing board for a full-scale invasion before 9/11 happened. But 9/11 DID happen and threw a real monkey-wrench into his plans for Iraq. Now he had to deal with Afghanistan.

    Well, if Bush had put someone competent in charge of Afghanistan instead of Rumsfeld, we would have hit Afghanistan with all the military might we could muster, which meant that once we had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora, we'd have finished the sucker off permanently. But no. If Bush had done that, he wouldn't have enough military left to implement his invade-Iraq plans. Soooooooo he gave Rummy the go-ahead to put only a quarter of our troops into Afghanistan so that when we trapped bin Laden at Tora Bora, we didn't have enough USA soldiers to seal the deal. We had to use Afghani soldiers to surround the place... you know, the same soldiers that bin Laden knew on a first-name basis... and they just waved as Al Qaeda filed right past them into Pakistan.

    The first of many unforgiveable military blunders of the next eight years, blunders which have resulted in us being bogged down in a quagmire of TWO wars for nearly a decade, with no end in sight.

    Color me pissed.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can prove all that. Right?
    See here.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If you think Saudi Arabian gov't was more of a threat to the US and its interests before (and even after) the war then you are clearly not paying attention,
    Their govt, no, not directly or overtly, but too many of their people, yes, and their govt knows about it, and does nothing. The imans teaching jihad aren't being punished, in fact most of them are paid by the govt.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't know about Clinton, who pretty much had his hands full with the Balkans, but Bush Jr. clearly came into office with regime change in Iraq on his agenda. He said so during the 2000 campaign. I'm sure plans were already on the drawing board for a full-scale invasion before 9/11 happened. But 9/11 DID happen and threw a real monkey-wrench into his plans for Iraq. Now he had to deal with Afghanistan.

    Well, if Bush had put someone competent in charge of Afghanistan instead of Rumsfeld, we would have hit Afghanistan with all the military might we could muster, which meant that once we had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora, we'd have finished the sucker off permanently. But no. If Bush had done that, he wouldn't have enough military left to implement his invade-Iraq plans. Soooooooo he gave Rummy the go-ahead to put only a quarter of our troops into Afghanistan so that when we trapped bin Laden at Tora Bora, we didn't have enough USA soldiers to seal the deal. We had to use Afghani soldiers to surround the place... you know, the same soldiers that bin Laden knew on a first-name basis... and they just waved as Al Qaeda filed right past them into Pakistan.

    The first of many unforgiveable military blunders of the next eight years, blunders which have resulted in us being bogged down in a quagmire of TWO wars for nearly a decade, with no end in sight.

    Color me pissed.
    IMO, the elder Bush wanted regime change because the Saudis wanted it.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't know about Clinton
    well go look it up for yourself. You've been informed so you can't claim ignorance anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    but Bush Jr. clearly came into office with regime change in Iraq on his agenda.
    Bush jr and sr and clinton all wanted it. Bush sr and clinton couldn't figure out a way to remove him and get the results they wanted. E.G., assassination was unlikely, and sr didn't want to deal with what would occur after removing him with military force.

    As for Bush jr, when 9/11 happened, Bush stated that his perception changed dramatically. He realized his previous ideas of safety and security for America were terribly wrong. America was NOT safe just because it had an ocean between itself and its enemies. That we couldn't just sit by and try to react to our enemies who wished to do us harm. We had to engage them proactively. AQ and Saddam were both topped the charts as such enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The first of many unforgiveable military blunders of the next eight years, blunders which have resulted in us being bogged down in a quagmire of TWO wars for nearly a decade, with no end in sight.

    Color me pissed.
    You realize we are not "bogged down" in iraq anymore, right?
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    in order to take the country to war with a long occupation to accomplish it.
    The "ideal" situation was that the regime would topple, the people would rejoice and follow the new gov't. Obviously it didn't turn out as expected. There are many reasons why experts believed it didn't such as bush not committing enough forces to get the job done right and kicking out bathhists from having a role in gov't.
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    Re: 'Al-Qaida on brink of using nuclear bomb'

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The "ideal" situation was that the regime would topple, the people would rejoice and follow the new gov't. Obviously it didn't turn out as expected. There are many reasons why experts believed it didn't such as bush not committing enough forces to get the job done right and kicking out bathhists from having a role in gov't.
    Yeah, its funny how a country will resist an armed invasion and occupation with whatever weapons they have available to them. Go figure, huh?
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