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    Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    Andrew Mikel II admits it was a stupid thing to do. In December, bored and craving attention, the 14-year-old used a plastic tube to blow small plastic pellets at fellow students in Spotsylvania High School. In one lunch period, he scored three hits.

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    "They flinched. They looked annoyed," Mikel said.

    The school district saw it as more than a childish prank. School officials expelled him for possession and use of a weapon, and they called a deputy sheriff to the scene, said Mikel and his father, Andrew Mikel Sr.

    The younger Mikel, a freshman, said he was charged with three counts of misdemeanor assault. The case was first reported by the Web site WorldNetDaily.

    Spotsylvania school officials declined to comment on the incident, citing student confidentiality rules. But documents that the school produced when Mikel's father filed a Freedom of Information Act request show internal division over the matter.

    The federal Gun-Free Schools Act mandates that schools expel students who take weapons, including hand guns, explosive devices and projectile weapons, to school. E-mail traffic among school officials showed they ruled that Mikel's plastic tube, which was fashioned from a pen casing, met the definition of a projectile weapon because it was "used to intimidate, threaten or harm others."
    Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    More proof the public school system is worthless.

    Mikel will be cleared of the misdemeanor criminal charges if he participates in a year-long diversion program, he said. The county sheriff's office did not return messages seeking comment.
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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    I truly hate zero tolerance policies. They teach children that authority is completely unfair and unreasonable. It dissociates the concept that rules are based on good behavior, and make everything seem arbitrary. Would you expect that kids classmates to tell a future cop the truth, knowing that even the most benign actions could screw you over?

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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I truly hate zero tolerance policies. They teach children that authority is completely unfair and unreasonable. It dissociates the concept that rules are based on good behavior, and make everything seem arbitrary. Would you expect that kids classmates to tell a future cop the truth, knowing that even the most benign actions could screw you over?


    Thank you. My son hates school, and this kind of crap is one of the reasons. Kids get away with acting like utter asses, but at the same time certain things are treated like felonies that used to be considered normal mischief.

    My son is 15. This year, with much misgivings and considerable regret, I taught him something important: if you're ever interrogated by the police, give your name and address, tell them your age and how to contact your father... then shut up and say nothing more, no matter what they say or ask.

    I hated having to do that. Really did. It's yet another "loss of innocence" moment, but he will be driving soon and before long he will be out on his own, and he needed to know it.

    On top of that I'm an ex-cop, and it pains me to admit that if you're suspected of a crime you didn't commit, you are better off not talking to the police. It's true though. Let your lawyer do the talking for you.

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    That's just ****ing ridiculous, if they'd had those rules when I was at school I would've been expelled after 3 weeks, policies like this are just plain ridiculous.
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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    I read the thread title and figured it would be like a pellet gun.

    Blowing through a tube? Really?
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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I truly hate zero tolerance policies. They teach children that authority is completely unfair and unreasonable. It dissociates the concept that rules are based on good behavior, and make everything seem arbitrary. Would you expect that kids classmates to tell a future cop the truth, knowing that even the most benign actions could screw you over?
    interesting comment, you actually started with evidence contrary to your point which you leave unsupported. authority in this country today is unfair and unreasonable and arbitrary. why lie to them and make them believe otherwise. they'll have to figure out how to operate in such a system sooner or later.
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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    More proof the public school system is worthless.
    I wouldn't have lasted long in the modern school system. It being run by dolts and the mentally handicapped, which is an insult to the latter. Reminds me of moderators on some political forums I'd been to in the past who overstep their roles. "Worthless" is probably the perfect description.

    I wonder what they would have made of our sling-shots?

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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I truly hate zero tolerance policies. They teach children that authority is completely unfair and unreasonable. It dissociates the concept that rules are based on good behavior, and make everything seem arbitrary. Would you expect that kids classmates to tell a future cop the truth, knowing that even the most benign actions could screw you over?
    I remember when I was in high school my civics teacher said to the class that zero-tolerance really meant zero common sense. I think this proves it.

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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    This merited a trip to the principal's office and maybe a stern phone call to a parent. To arrest a 14 yr old for a felony for basically shooting spitwads through a straw is beyond the pale. The world has gone mad.
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    Re: Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges

    interesting comment, you actually started with evidence contrary to your point which you leave unsupported. authority in this country today is unfair and unreasonable and arbitrary. why lie to them and make them believe otherwise. they'll have to figure out how to operate in such a system sooner or later.
    You will rarely find either the police or courts as unreasonable as a school with zero tolerance policies. Cops and judges have considerable leeway in how they operate, and are expected to tailor punishments to specific circumstances. You at least have a chance of someone looking at the mitigating factors and not screwing you over. Schools on the other hand, feel obligated to levy the absurd punishment nearly 100% of the time regardless of the actual impact on the misbehavior.

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