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Planned Parenthood Video - Helping The sex trade

pbrauer said:
There is nothing there about this video.
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no, just "we want as little information as possible"

"so, even if they lie and just say, 'oh, he's the same age as me, 15'"

"as long as they just lie and say, 'oh, he's 15, 16'"

"you know, as long as they don't say 14"

"and as long as it's not too much of an age gap then we just kind of like, we play it stupid"

"it's just really watching what they say"

"you never got this from me"

"keep us out of the loop"

"we want to make it look as legitimate as possible"

"we're gonna kind of alter the story and see what we can do to kind of tweak information"

"you come in and ask for me only"

"just between the 3 of us cuz we're already cool"
 
Redress said:
So you claim something is my "modus operandi", I point out it is not, and now you want me to prove that your unsubstantiated claim is false?
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You made the claim so back it up. Reagan said it best: "Trust but verify".

Redress said:
Saying something is true does not make it so. Hint: I have never read more than about 5 pages of Alinsky and was bored stiff by it.
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I say the sky is blue - not true? And sure Alinsky is a boring read, but it's a text book for socialists and progressives. I've yet to read a textbook that was interesting....

Redress said:
I don't consider other American's my enemy, nor do I consider debate war.
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You're choice, and that's fine by me.

Redress said:
Except I have done just that. I have no need to defend PP.
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You've been doing it though, maybe unknowingly.
Redress said:
In this case PP acted appropriately as an organization. An individual may very well have acted inappropriately, and they already have been punished for it, and may face more if any laws where broken. That is as it should be.
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So you're okay with them firing her but you cannot admit she acted inappropriately? You say "may very well have"... that tells me it's still not clear to you, yet you're okay with actions taken against her.

Redress said:
The source material is questionable not because of any beliefs on my part, but because an edited video from an interest in the outcome is not reliable, no matter how you try and spin it.
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And it's not reliable BECAUSE it's edited, yet I still don't understand why you cannot take one segment only, without the rest of the edited parts, view it for face value and form an opinion. The only reason I can see is because you have a need to discredit it due to the edits. Edits only work in the context of the whole; in order for edits to make a difference in the context, the edits have to lead the viewer to a conclusion that would not necessarily be there otherwise. The sections as I see them have no such structure - they discuss different things in the different sections. In viewing the sections on their own, it IS clear to me that Woodruff not only acted inappropriately, provided potentially and illegal advice. The uncut video may show even more which will get her criminally charged.

Redress said:
What is funny is you claim my comments are based on my support of abortion rights. It's not, but there is no way to prove it either way. However, you seem to fail to realize that the exact same could be said of your reasons for defending the source.
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That's just it, I'm not defending the source. I know nothing of the source other than what others have written in this thread. I'm not even taking the source into consideration - i'm looking at the segments of the video, listening to the comments and context and saying "That's ****ed up" on face value.

Redress said:
In fact, people tend to assign motivations to others that they find believable based on their own motives, so I would consider it likely that the reason you want to make a big deal about this is your anti-abortion rights stance.
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What's more likely is my motivations are to make a judgment about something that happened as either "right" or "wrong". Your motivation is to defend and discredit a source which you don't agree with, instead of actually taking a stand on the subject. In fact, you do that fairly consistently; attack the source and discredit seemingly without taking a position on the issue one way or the other. Nuanced maybe but not transparent. PP apparently doesn't share your Kakorrhaphiophobia and have fired her, even though you still don't believe that's a valid action.
 
Is everyone clear, this video was debunked as highly edited and misleading?

I mean, MSM threads should be based on true stories. Not stories that were debunked before the thread was posted.
 
The Prof said:
no, just "we want as little information as possible"

"so, even if they lie and just say, 'oh, he's the same age as me, 15'"

"as long as they just lie and say, 'oh, he's 15, 16'"

"you know, as long as they don't say 14"

"and as long as it's not too much of an age gap then we just kind of like, we play it stupid"

"it's just really watching what they say"

"you never got this from me"

"keep us out of the loop"

"we want to make it look as legitimate as possible"

"we're gonna kind of alter the story and see what we can do to kind of tweak information"

"you come in and ask for me only"

"just between the 3 of us cuz we're already cool"
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Do you see anyone defending this woman? Certainly not me. But, I'm sorry you can't possibly take the actions or one individual and apply them to the whole organization. You indict the organization not because of what she did, you already had your mind made up. Abortion is a problem in the real world, when you come up with an answer please let everyone know what it is. Do you want to send this country back to the era where women died from self induced or illegal abortions? Making abortion illegal does not work, in fact I think it can be shown it makes the problem worse.

Save, Rare and Legal, that's the goal.

By DAVID CRARY
The Associated Press
Monday, January 24, 2011; 5:08 PM​

NEW YORK -- Planned Parenthood, a perennial protest target because of its role in providing abortions, has notified the FBI that at least 12 of its health centers were visited recently by a man purporting to be a sex trafficker but who may instead be part of an attempted ruse to entrap clinic employees.
In each case, according to Planned Parenthood, the man sought to speak privately with a clinic employee and then requested information about health services for sex workers, including some who he said were minors and in the U.S. illegally. ...​
 
Let me get this straight. One employee may have done something wrong; that employee was subsequently fired; the Planned Parenthood organisation did the right thing by contacting the FBI about the incidents. And now that the heavily edited video has been released and debunked, conservatives are not only accusing PP of wrongdoing, but are also calling for all funding for PP to be cut off.

:yawn: Just another day in bat-**** crazy right-wing land. Cuckoo cuckoo
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Let me get this straight. One employee may have done something wrong; that employee was subsequently fired; the Planned Parenthood organisation did the right thing by contacting the FBI about the incidents. And now that the heavily edited video has been released and debunked, conservatives are not only accusing PP of wrongdoing, but are also calling for all funding for PP to be cut off.

:yawn: Just another day in bat-**** crazy right-wing land. Cuckoo cuckoo
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I want PP defunded for reasons having nothing to do with this video.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Let me get this straight. One employee may have done something wrong; that employee was subsequently fired; the Planned Parenthood organisation did the right thing by contacting the FBI about the incidents. And now that the heavily edited video has been released and debunked, conservatives are not only accusing PP of wrongdoing, but are also calling for all funding for PP to be cut off.

:yawn: Just another day in bat-**** crazy right-wing land. Cuckoo cuckoo
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That is reminiscent to me of the entire ACORN scandal where the person supposedly helped a pimp. Yet when the full video was released, it was evident that the ACORN employee was really just gathering as much information as possible so that it could be reported to the authorities (which it was in fact reported to the authorities).

But none of that was noticed and ACORN was left hanging.
 
X Factor said:
I want PP defunded for reasons having nothing to do with this video.
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Give X Factor credit. When the video is proven to be nothing much at all, and given the choice of attempting to smear those who pointed this out and looking foolish, or shifting the argument and just making sure this incident did not go to waste, he chose to shift the argument.

It's still weak, since this is about the video and not PP in general, but at least it's honest.
 
whysoserious said:
That is reminiscent to me of the entire ACORN scandal where the person supposedly helped a pimp. Yet when the full video was released, it was evident that the ACORN employee was really just gathering as much information as possible so that it could be reported to the authorities (which it was in fact reported to the authorities).

But none of that was noticed and ACORN was left hanging.
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I agree. Hauntingly similar. Let's hope that Democrats actually stand up for PP (unlike they did for ACORN) when Republicans start their attack on them.
 
Redress said:
Give X Factor credit. When the video is proven to be nothing much at all, and given the choice of attempting to smear those who pointed this out and looking foolish, or shifting the argument and just making sure this incident did not go to waste, he chose to shift the argument.

It's still weak, since this is about the video and not PP in general, but at least it's honest.
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Don't tell me what I'm thinking. :2razz:

Honestly I don't know if this is nothing or not, my opinion of PP is just already so low, nothing that comes out like this is really going to do anything to damage their reputation any further to me.
 
whysoserious said:
That is reminiscent to me of the entire ACORN scandal where the person supposedly helped a pimp. Yet when the full video was released, it was evident that the ACORN employee was really just gathering as much information as possible so that it could be reported to the authorities (which it was in fact reported to the authorities).
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LOL, is this what you really believe? The whole ACORN deal involved more than just one worker at one office. Who knows, maybe that'll be the same case with PP. This could just be the first in a string of videos like this.
 
X Factor said:
LOL, is this what you really believe? The whole ACORN deal involved more than just one worker at one office. Who knows, maybe that'll be the same case with PP. This could just be the first in a string of videos like this.
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That is what happened. After the unedited video was released and examined, O'Keefe's ACORN sting turned out to be pretty dull. He was tricked into believing one ACORN employee killed her husband (she was messing with him) and tricked into giving out tons of details so the cops could be called on him.

Its true, though, none of this did get coverage from the media once it was broken.
 
"heavily edited video"

LOL!

ms woodruff was recorded in her own effusively helpful words for almost ten minutes

acorn, by the way, was d-e-f-u-n-d-e-d

and by a house and senate overwhelmingly blue

the vote was 83 to 7 upstairs

acorn is defunct

seeya in committee, chums, bring your cellphones
 
QUOTE=pbrauer;1059260804]When are conservatives going to learn that the actions of one person do not make the actions of an entire organization. Aparently Live Action went to 12 clinics in 6 states before they hit pay dirt. Pretty despicable if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

What's despicable is people who want to continue to fund planned parenthood. They protect pedophiles, they accept donations specifically targeting black babies, they tell minors to lie, there is no parental notification. I don't understand how we live in a world where a child can get an abortion without parental consent but needs it to get a tattoo or an ear piercing.
Shame on those who are making this story about the undercover actors and not about the practices of PP. They need defunded immediately.


The Planned Parenthood Racism Project - Live Action
The actor who called, The Advocate’s advisor, communicated to them a very racist agenda—the one that Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood’s founder, had envisioned. He then asked to donate money specifically for the abortions of African-American babies in order to "lower the number of blacks in America."

Despite his bigoted requests, no Planned Parenthood employee (or director of development, in one case) declined the tainted money. Some even asked to speak with other employees to get permission. In the first day of calling seven clinics, not a single Planned Parenthood representative expressed outrage or concern at the racism behind donations specifically "to reduce the number of blacks." In fact, some even went as far as agreeing with the anti-black agenda.
 
pbrauer said:
HOAX VIDEO EXPOSED: Planned Parenthood Already Reported "Sex Trafficking" To FBI | Media Matters for America

Today, anti-abortion rights propagandist Lila Rose released her latest in a series of heavily edited videos seeking to demonstrate that Planned Parenthood engages in criminal activities. Rose's organization, Live Action, claims their video exposes what they call "Planned Parenthood's cover-up of child sex trafficking."
Except that isn't what the video shows at all.

Rather, the Live Action video shows edited comments made by a single Planned Parenthood employee. Live Action has so far refused to publicly release the full video of the incident, instead posting what the organization itself admits is an "abridged 11-minute video." (Live Action claims they are "sending full footage" to law enforcement officials.) [UPDATE: Live Action subsequently released what they say is the full video.]...
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What's a hoax is Media Matters saying it's a hoax. Did anyone bother watching the full tape?Planned Parenthood Aides Pimp’s Underage Sex Ring – Full Footage Released
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Let me get this straight. One employee may have done something wrong; that employee was subsequently fired; the Planned Parenthood organisation did the right thing by contacting the FBI about the incidents.
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Glad to see you agree something wrong was done.

Sgt Meowenstein said:
And now that the heavily edited video has been released and debunked,
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When was it debunked? Link please?
Sgt Meowenstein said:
conservatives are not only accusing PP of wrongdoing, but are also calling for all funding for PP to be cut off.
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Nothing so simple, PP has been a conservative target for defunding for quite a while. This didn't just happen because of this video.

Sgt Meowenstein said:
Just another day in bat-**** crazy right-wing land. Cuckoo cuckoo
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It must be a picnic in moon-bat mouth-foaming progressive/socialist land.
 
Ockham said:
Oopsie!!

Wonder if our resident detractors will still defend defend defend!!!

Wait I know... it was photoshopped or better yet, it's all a put up job. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!!:scared:
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Is question, question, question the same as defend, defend, defend now? I know, you want to rush to judgment since you want every one to judge before all the messy facts come out, and no one has yet to actually defend the person in the video, but why let honesty get in the way of attacking.
 
whysoserious said:
That is what happened. After the unedited video was released and examined, O'Keefe's ACORN sting turned out to be pretty dull. He was tricked into believing one ACORN employee killed her husband (she was messing with him) and tricked into giving out tons of details so the cops could be called on him.

Its true, though, none of this did get coverage from the media once it was broken.
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So, why was ACORN defunded......by Democrats, no less?

It's called being BUSTED.

LOL
 
whysoserious said:
That is what happened. After the unedited video was released and examined, O'Keefe's ACORN sting turned out to be pretty dull. He was tricked into believing one ACORN employee killed her husband (she was messing with him) and tricked into giving out tons of details so the cops could be called on him.

Its true, though, none of this did get coverage from the media once it was broken.
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Well, again though, the ACORN scandal involved several facilities in different cities, not just one. I like the defense though, "I was just gathering info to take to the police." LOL
 
Redress said:
Is question, question, question the same as defend, defend, defend now? I know, you want to rush to judgment since you want every one to judge before all the messy facts come out, and no one has yet to actually defend the person in the video, but why let honesty get in the way of attacking.
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What exactly are you questioning, questioning, questioning? What "facts" do you expect to come out that will explain what happened in the video?
 
Redress said:
Is question, question, question the same as defend, defend, defend now? I know, you want to rush to judgment since you want every one to judge before all the messy facts come out, and no one has yet to actually defend the person in the video, but why let honesty get in the way of attacking.
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You're major concern of "heavily edited" is now no longer a viable one, given the unedited version. Ready to make a stand and have an opinion yet?
 
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