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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Boo Radley said:
I mean like they do now, before any reform. Right now we are paying for every single unisured person who gets treatment they can't afford. Before reform, insurance premiums were rising at an alarming rate. Before reform, business was dropping insurance coverage at just as an alarming rate. And before reform, we paid more for less than any nation in the world. This is why many say reform did nto go far enough.
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Who will be paying for the millions of people that will pay nothing for their healtcare under ObamaKare??
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, you're not paying attention. repeating things not in dispute is pointless on your part. Try addressing the actual argument. Many of those wanting repeal want it BECAUSE the bill doesn't go far enough. They want more, not less.
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I don't believe you. Most want pre existing gone but not a 2 thousand page boondoggle bill
 
Boo Radley said:
If you don't have insurance, odds are you didn't pay at all. This means the cost is shifted to those with insurance and those who pay. Meanign we all pay for those who can't pay right now, before any reform, and in an ad hock, way with no real oversight.
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So Obama care changes nothing except for the fact we lose freedoms and government has control of the people
 
Gill said:
Who will be paying for the millions of people that will pay nothing for their healtcare under ObamaKare??
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Less will be paying nothing, as you put it, under reform. And it will be more controlled, with more oversight, so we can see where the dolalrs are going. In the end, we pay less for more. It isn't perfect, as your side does everything it can to poison real discussion on this topic. But while not perfect yet, this reform was a needed step in the right direction. Not perfect, and not finished, but a proper step.
 
ptif219 said:
So Obama care changes nothing except for the fact we lose freedoms and government has control of the people
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You lose no freedom at all. Tha's just more hyperbole and irrational rethoric.
 
Gill said:
Good, you finally admitted your continual straw man arguement.

Now, please stop making it.
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That's stupid. There is no strawman. The question was asked by others and that is the point, and it is stupid to believe thjat only one poll can ask the question.
 
ptif219 said:
BS we are forced to be under government supervision which will cost us even more.
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Again, false. You really seem to be drinking the kool aid of the tired old tactics. No one loses any freedom.
 
Boo Radley said:
Less will be paying nothing, as you put it, under reform. And it will be more controlled, with more oversight, so we can see where the dolalrs are going. In the end, we pay less for more. It isn't perfect, as your side does everything it can to poison real discussion on this topic. But while not perfect yet, this reform was a needed step in the right direction. Not perfect, and not finished, but a proper step.
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Each and every family of four making less than $30,000 / year, will get free health care.

I know you like to dodge questions, but one more time........ who will be paying for every penney of these people's healthcare ???
 
Gill said:
Each and every family of four making less than $30,000 / year, will get free health care.

I know you like to dodge questions, but one more time........ who will be paying for every penney of these people's healthcare ???
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Same people who pay now, only they will pay less, and there will be some oversight. Frankly, your inability to understand an answer is doesn't mean you were notn answered. We pay for millions before reform, and ad hock with little to no oversight. We improve that a bit with the current reform, but no one suggests it should end there.
 
Boo Radley said:
Same people who pay now, only they will pay less, and there will be some oversight. Frankly, your inability to understand an answer is doesn't mean you were notn answered. We pay for millions before reform, and ad hock with little to no oversight. We improve that a bit with the current reform, but no one suggests it should end there.
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We will pay less ??? Prove it !!

We pay millions now for the uninsured and we will pay millions after reform for the uninsured. Nothing will change.

No oversight ??? I thought you were constantly whining that insurance companies provided too MUCH oversight. Which is it ??
 
Gill said:
We will pay less ??? Prove it !!

We pay millions now for the uninsured and we will pay millions after reform for the unisured. Nothing will change.
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It's logic. If more are insured, then there is less reason for hospitals to raise prices, which means there is less reason for insurance companies to raise prices. If they are doing so, they are doing so to try and gouge people. And will we have the ability to track it it better now.

Not only that, paying a premium for more people is much less expensive than paying for the uninsured as they recieve treatment uninsured. Cost evenly distributed among many is much less expensive than cost distributed ad hock and to only those who pay. Remember we actually have people right now who can afford insurance who are not doing so, leaving the cost of their injuries and illness up to others to pay. Having them insured along decreases costs.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's logic. If more are insured, then there is less reason for hospitals to raise prices, which means there is less reason for insurance companies to raise prices. If they are doing so, they are doing so to try and gouge people. And will we have the ability to track it it better now.

Not only that, paying a premium for more people is much less expensive than paying for the uninsured as they recieve treatment uninsured. Cost evenly distributed among many is much less expensive than cost distributed ad hock and to only those who pay. Remember we actually have people right now who can afford insurance who are not doing so, leaving the cost of their injuries and illness up to others to pay. Having them insured along decreases costs.
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It's logic eh ??? Sorry, but I prefer hard numbers to your "logic".

I'd be willing to bet you that the vast majority of young people just out of college will decide to skip the mandated insurance coverage. Most 20 somethings believe they are superhuman and would rather buy a flat screen tv than pay for insurance they don't want believe they need.
 
Gill said:
It's logic eh ??? Sorry, but I prefer hard numbers to your "logic".

I'd be willing to bet you that the vast majority of young people just out of college will decide to skip the mandated insurance coverage. Most 20 somethings believe they are superhuman and would rather buy a flat screen tv than pay for insurance they don't want believe they need.
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And you will have them once the reform is inacted. Prior to that, logic is required. It is not wrong or improper to think.

And yes, 20 somethings to wrongly believe they are invinciable. And when things go wrong for them, we pay. This is why republicans, conservatives, orginally wanted to mandate that they buy insurances. Back then, they believed in personal responsibility. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
And you will have them once the reform is inacted. Prior to that, logic is required. It is not wrong or improper to think.

And yes, 20 somethings to wrongly believe they are invinciable. And when things go wrong for them, we pay. This is why republicans, conservatives, orginally wanted to mandate that they buy insurances. Back then, they believed in personal responsibility. :coffeepap
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yeah Nancy, we know. We have to wait for it to be enacted before we will know how much it will screw us.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's logic. If more are insured, then there is less reason for hospitals to raise prices, which means there is less reason for insurance companies to raise prices. If they are doing so, they are doing so to try and gouge people. And will we have the ability to track it it better now.

Not only that, paying a premium for more people is much less expensive than paying for the uninsured as they recieve treatment uninsured. Cost evenly distributed among many is much less expensive than cost distributed ad hock and to only those who pay. Remember we actually have people right now who can afford insurance who are not doing so, leaving the cost of their injuries and illness up to others to pay. Having them insured along decreases costs.
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It would also be a lot less expensive if we got the illegal alien problem under control and created more doctors. How do you explain the increase in ER usage in MA by insured people because they cannot get into seeing a doctor?

As I have stated over and over again this is all about access to you and not about improved quality or quantiy of healthcare. There is no govt program that has ever cut costs and have always cost more than intended. Interesting that liberals have an arrogance that seems to believe the last group of liberals just didn't do it right and that this group can correct the problem. That has never happened.
 
Gill said:
It's logic eh ??? Sorry, but I prefer hard numbers to your "logic".

I'd be willing to bet you that the vast majority of young people just out of college will decide to skip the mandated insurance coverage. Most 20 somethings believe they are superhuman and would rather buy a flat screen tv than pay for insurance they don't want believe they need.
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Or just prove you are an Obama supporter and get a waiver!
 
Gill said:
yeah Nancy, we know. We have to wait for it to be enacted before we will know how much it will screw us.
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Again, don't be stupid. We know what is in it. And we know the projections. But actual hard numbers can't be measured until it is in progress. :roll:
 
tryreading said:
There is also a lot of waste and theft in the private health insurance system.
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on march first THE GAO reported that the federal budget flat out MISPLACES a full HALF TRILLION dollars in waste, fraud, duplication and corruption in inefficient and overlapping programs that have NEVER BEEN REVIEWED FOR THEIR EFFECTIVENESS

GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

no wonder WEINER and more than a thousand others want WAIVERS while CUOMO and MOONBEAM are slashing AND burning to the tune of TENS OF B's
 
Boo Radley said:
repeating things not in dispute is pointless on your part.
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well, i don't know if it's pointless

but you're right, there's no dispute

three quarters of a tril in new taxes, half tril cuts to medicare while massively expanding it, quarter tril unfunded burden on states already bankrupt, increased er costs, doctors refusing new medicare patients, americans with NO INSURANCE faring better medically than those on medicaid, quarter tril doc fix offline, quarter tril double counted according to cbo, more than a thousand WAIVED, americans caught breathing without coverage criminalized...

Many of those wanting repeal want it BECAUSE the bill doesn't go far enough. They want more, not less.
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not WEINER

not NEW YORK CITY
 
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