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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

You aren't going to get either ;)

We don't want it.

Who's we? you'll find the nation quite divided. Some who oppose this reform oppose it because it didn't go far enough, almost as many as who oppose it because it went to far.
 
Who's we?

LOL!

we are the american people, silly

we aren't gonna get your little fantasy single payer because THE PRESIDENT SHOT HIS WAD

obamacare's as far as he's gonna go, and obamacare's a LOSER

it's JOHN BOEHNER'S HOUSE now, haven't you heard
 
Because fear mongering did not allow an honest discussion, or allow us to actually tackle the problem effectively. One step forward is better than no step at all.

No it is not when it will bankrupt states
 
Who doesn't need it? Seriously, if he faces a major injury or illness, will he be able to pay for it on $45,000 a year? Believing that is the definition of delusional.

The bill is not yet perfect, and we should work to improve it. And we should do so without the fear mongering nonsense. Passing the buck is a common practice and no one should be surprised that a number seek to shirk responsibility. But no reform leaves us where we are, spending more than any other country, and receiving less for our money than most.

Many people do not have health insurance because they do not make it a priority. That is their right and what business is it of the government to force them to have it.
 
I'm telling him he's delusional if he thinks he doesn't need it. But instead of playing this silly game, tell me how he will afford a major illness of injury without insurance.

Lets see do you mean the original bill or what the hospital will accept. For my back surgery I got a bill for $160,000 the settled for $67,000
 
You may be right, but you might not. Just remember, when the person who doesn't want to pay for insurance gets ill or injuried, you will be paying for them one way or another, just as you have been and are right now before any reform.

With Obamacare we still pay for them because Obama will put millions on medicaid and bankrupt the states. There is no difference, Obamacare does nothing except grow government put more controls on us the people and it also will increase the deficit
 
you do realize that isn't what I said? The forcing wasn't through votes, but through misinformation and fearmongering that led to lack of public support. Congress is especially subject to public outcry. It cost a lot to get this watered down version, and would ahve cost far more to do more.

The problem is the more people find out about government healthcare the more they hate it. The government can't fix medicare and medicaid and SS what makes you think this will be any different.
 
;) You don't really want to get into the Health Care Debate with me.....you like every other Lefty have NO idea whats in it.

You're fairly new and not familiar with Boo. He loves to shoot out one-liners and change the subject, but you won't get much of substance from him. He prefers to debate tirelessly on irrelevant minutia rather than the meat of the problem.
 
Who's we? you'll find the nation quite divided. Some who oppose this reform oppose it because it didn't go far enough, almost as many as who oppose it because it went to far.

Are you sure about that ?

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 58% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law while 36% are opposed.

These figures include 46% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who Strongly Oppose it.
 
Are you sure about that ?

Did you read what I wrote at all. If you take those numbers at face value without asking any more questions you might assume we don't want a single payer system. However, if you ask the next question, you'll find, as I stated earlier, a fair number of those who want it repealed want the government to go further, and are upset because it doesn't go far enough. We are almost divided into thirds on this. 1/3 want less, 1/3 like it as it is, and 1/3 want the government to go further. That is being divided.


THE DEMAND FOR MORE AMBITIOUS HEALTH CARE REFORM.... The new CNN poll on the Affordable Care Act, celebrating its first anniversary today, is already proving to be popular on the right. And if one only looks at the first two paragraphs, it's easy to see why.

One year after President Barack Obama signed the health care reform bill into law, a new national poll indicates that attitudes toward the plan have not budged.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday, on the one year anniversary of the signing of the law, 37 percent of Americans support the measure, with 59 percent opposed. That's basically unchanged from last March, when 39 percent supported the law and 59 percent opposed the measure.



But what this neglects to mention is the relevant detail -- there's quite a disagreement within that 59% majority.

In fact, the top line is pretty misleading. While 37% support the law, another 13% want the Affordable Care Act to go further, be more ambitious, and offer more progressive reforms. In other words, 50% of Americans support the law or want it to be more liberal.

The Washington Monthly

On the big abstract ideological question about support for the health reform law, the voters split down the middle: 48 percent say they support repeal and 47 percent say they want the reform law to stay the same or be expanded. Some mandate.

John Bouman: Americans Want Health Care Reform to Go Forward

[...] The poll found that about four in 10 adults think the new law did not go far enough to change the health care system, regardless of whether they support the law, oppose it or remain neutral. On the other side, about one in five say they oppose the law because they think the federal government should not be involved in health care at all.

AP Poll: Majority of Americans Want Health Care Law To Do More | Crooks and Liars

Now that's just the first few links of a search. But if you don't know this by now, you're really not listening and are instead trying to make numbers say something they are not.
 
Did you read what I wrote at all. If you take those numbers at face value without asking any more questions you might assume we don't want a single payer system. However, if you ask the next question, you'll find, as I stated earlier, a fair number of those who want it repealed want the government to go further, and are upset because it doesn't go far enough. We are almost divided into thirds on this. 1/3 want less, 1/3 like it as it is, and 1/3 want the government to go further. That is being divided.


THE DEMAND FOR MORE AMBITIOUS HEALTH CARE REFORM.... The new CNN poll on the Affordable Care Act, celebrating its first anniversary today, is already proving to be popular on the right. And if one only looks at the first two paragraphs, it's easy to see why.

One year after President Barack Obama signed the health care reform bill into law, a new national poll indicates that attitudes toward the plan have not budged.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday, on the one year anniversary of the signing of the law, 37 percent of Americans support the measure, with 59 percent opposed. That's basically unchanged from last March, when 39 percent supported the law and 59 percent opposed the measure.



But what this neglects to mention is the relevant detail -- there's quite a disagreement within that 59% majority.

In fact, the top line is pretty misleading. While 37% support the law, another 13% want the Affordable Care Act to go further, be more ambitious, and offer more progressive reforms. In other words, 50% of Americans support the law or want it to be more liberal.

The Washington Monthly

On the big abstract ideological question about support for the health reform law, the voters split down the middle: 48 percent say they support repeal and 47 percent say they want the reform law to stay the same or be expanded. Some mandate.

John Bouman: Americans Want Health Care Reform to Go Forward

[...] The poll found that about four in 10 adults think the new law did not go far enough to change the health care system, regardless of whether they support the law, oppose it or remain neutral. On the other side, about one in five say they oppose the law because they think the federal government should not be involved in health care at all.

AP Poll: Majority of Americans Want Health Care Law To Do More | Crooks and Liars

Now that's just the first few links of a search. But if you don't know this by now, you're really not listening and are instead trying to make numbers say something they are not.

So you think it is Constitutional for the Federal Govt. to demand that people either purchase healthcare or pay a fine? You selectively choose the parts of the survey you believe supports your point of view and ignore that much of your concerns could have been addressed without the Fedreal Govt. bureaucracy that this creates.
 
So you think it is Constitutional for the Federal Govt. to demand that people either purchase healthcare or pay a fine? You selectively choose the parts of the survey you believe supports your point of view and ignore that much of your concerns could have been addressed without the Fedreal Govt. bureaucracy that this creates.

We've been through this. And yes, Gill was selectively choosing what part of the suvey he was going to listen to. it is important to break the numbers down and seek to understand what is actually being said. Do less is to be dishonest.
 
Thanks for the tip :)

You're fairly new and not familiar with Boo. He loves to shoot out one-liners and change the subject, but you won't get much of substance from him. He prefers to debate tirelessly on irrelevant minutia rather than the meat of the problem.
 
Lets see do you mean the original bill or what the hospital will accept. For my back surgery I got a bill for $160,000 the settled for $67,000

Where do think the rest went? Think it has anything to do with prices going up? With premius going up?
 
With Obamacare we still pay for them because Obama will put millions on medicaid and bankrupt the states. There is no difference, Obamacare does nothing except grow government put more controls on us the people and it also will increase the deficit

True, a single payer system would do a more effective job, which is why so many think he did not go far enough. But the things you complain of were happening before any reform. Going backward won't fix the problem. Instead we need to move foreward toward real reform.
 
The problem is the more people find out about government healthcare the more they hate it. The government can't fix medicare and medicaid and SS what makes you think this will be any different.

See the polls above. You may be reading things through the prism of your own bias. :coffeepap
 
We've been through this. And yes, Gill was selectively choosing what part of the suvey he was going to listen to. it is important to break the numbers down and seek to understand what is actually being said. Do less is to be dishonest.

Yes, we have been through this and the latest court ruling says the mandate is unconstitutional and thus the entire bill. That is the point, you cannot make Americans buy healthcare insurance and that is the point.
 
You aren't going to get either ;)

We don't want it.

Get either what?

Yes, I do get to keep my insurance. However my premiums doubled two years before reform was even signed. Before reform, business was dropping coverage at an alarming rate. Before reform, as a nation, we were spending more than any other country, and for less access. Yes, I have no problem debating the matter. Just don't expect to not be challeneged on what you assert.
 
Yes, we have been through this and the latest court ruling says the mandate is unconstitutional and thus the entire bill. That is the point, you cannot make Americans buy healthcare insurance and that is the point.

It is hardly the final word, but it is a matter for the courts. We'll all see in the end how it plays out.
 
See the polls above. You may be reading things through the prism of your own bias. :coffeepap

Really? 'He' is looking at it through a prism of blindness?

Obamacare: One Year Later, Even Less Popular

Take the monthly Kaiser Health Tracking Poll. The Kaiser poll is an outlier poll that almost always indicates stronger support for Obamacare than other polls convey. Shortly after passage, the Kaiser poll actually showed respondents having a favorable, rather than unfavorable, opinion of Obamacare, by a margin of 6 points (46 to 40 percent). Since then, that margin has moved 10 points against Obamacare — from plus-6 to minus-4 — as those with unfavorable opinions (46 percent) have come to outnumber those with favorable ones (42 percent).

Shortly after passage, the poll showed that its respondents thought Obamacare would raise, rather than lower, their health costs, by a margin of 12 points (37 to 25 percent). Now, that margin has grown to 19 points (42 to 23 percent). Shortly after passage, the poll’s respondents thought that Obamacare would reduce, rather than improve, the quality of their health care, by a margin of 4 points (27 to 23 percent). Now, that margin has grown to 12 points (32 to 20 percent).

The most telling thing, however, is this: Even though the poll is heavily skewed toward Democrats, the Kaiser poll shows such unfavorable results for Obamacare. In the current Kaiser poll, 34 percent of the poll’s respondents are Democrats, which essentially matches the percentage of Democrats (35 percent) in the exit polling for last November’s election. Meanwhile, only 23 percent of the poll’s current respondents are Republicans — 12 points below the percentage of Republicans (also 35 percent) in last fall’s exit polls. In fact, the Kaiser poll’s 11-point advantage for Democrats over Republicans is 4 points higher even than the Democrats’ advantage in exit polling during the 2008 election, yet Obamacare’s unpopularity still manages to shine through.
 
We've been through this. And yes, Gill was selectively choosing what part of the suvey he was going to listen to. it is important to break the numbers down and seek to understand what is actually being said. Do less is to be dishonest.

Really??

The poll I quoted was unambiguous. It states plainly that 58% of Americans want the law repealed. 62% of people that now have insurance want it repealed, while only 47% of those without insurance oppose repeal.

I'll admit that you didn't cherry pick from the poll I posted, but you completely ignored it and brought in completely different one as if that proved anything.

And you have the nerve to even type the word dishonest ?????
 
anthony weiner wants a WAIVER because obamacare DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH

LOL!

what an idiot

weiner, i mean
 
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