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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Boo Radley said:
You should investigate single payer a little more. There are more than a few ways to do, and yes, as we see, a single payer system is less costly and more effective in that it allows greater access.

As for a better plan, we'd have to actually try and hammer one out before either of us could say how good it was or wasn't. The fear some have to even allowing the discussion, chosing instead to fear monger, says a lot about them.
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You mean like medicare and medicaid?
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, prof, you never have been serious. Sorry for expecting anything different. :2wave:
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Seniors already have Obamacare. A judge ruled if you collect social security you must have medicare.
 
ptif219 said:
You mean like medicare and medicaid?
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No, those are different, limited, and have the most likely to need care population. If you want to discuss this, we need to do so in a logical and honest manner.
 
it's obamacare's BIRTHDAY!

one year old bouncing baby bill!

but NO ONE CAME TO THE PARTY

When the Democrats were pushing health care reform through Congress, Pelosi was always surrounded by a cast of all-stars at the big press conferences. The rest of the leadership was there, as were Rep. John Dingell of Michigan — who had gaveled the passage of Medicare in 1965 — and Henry Waxman of California, who steered the Affordable Care Act through the Energy and Commerce Committee past roadblocks from centrist Democrats.

Thursday, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer was nowhere to be found. Neither was Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the third-ranking Democrat among House leadership. There was no Waxman. And Dingell, who sat smiling beside President Barack Obama at the signing ceremony one year ago, was gone too.
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Dem bigs skip Nancy Pelosi's health-law party - David Nather - POLITICO.com

it is what it is

obamacare's a lonely LOSER
 
The Prof said:
it's obamacare's BIRTHDAY!

one year old bouncing baby bill!

but NO ONE CAME TO THE PARTY





Dem bigs skip Nancy Pelosi's health-law party - David Nather - POLITICO.com



it is what it is

obamacare's a lonely LOSER
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Obamacare the greatest democrat slayer of all time and they DESERVE it for the disgusting way they rammed it down everyones throat.
The leering gloating stretched taut botoxed face of Nancy Pelosi daily on the tube lieing to america daily and telling us we were going to get it
whether we liked it or not. The democrats arent done paying for that yet
Having said that the Far Right Teaparty just might negate all the hatred directed at Pelosi and Reid with their assault on the middle calls for the benefit of the pigs at the trough...
 
Boo Radley said:
You misunderstand yet again. Different issue with no conection to our discussion.
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You mean only you are right and YOU must dictate the discussion
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ptif219 said:
You mean only you are right and YOU must dictate the discussion
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no. I mean when you answer my point, engaging men on an issue, it is helpful if you stay within that issue and not try to divert it somewhere else. you can't pretend it is a rebuttal. You can say you don't want to talk about the issue before you, and suggest we go some place else.
 
Boo Radley said:
no. I mean when you answer my point, engaging men on an issue, it is helpful if you stay within that issue and not try to divert it somewhere else. you can't pretend it is a rebuttal. You can say you don't want to talk about the issue before you, and suggest we go some place else.
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It is on topic. Medicaid is single payer government insurance.
 
wow, weiner!

the most prominent progressive proponent of the public option in play

weiner wants a WAIVER!

Rep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday he was looking into how a health law waiver might work for New York City.

Weiner, who is likely to run for mayor of New York, said that because of the city’s special health care infrastructure, his office was looking into alternatives that might make more sense. Weiner is one of the health care law’s biggest supporters; during the debate leading up to reform, he was one of the last holdouts in Congress for the public option.

“I’m in the process now of trying to see if we can take [President Barack Obama] up on it in the city of New York, … and I’m taking a look at all of the money we spend in Medicaid and Medicare and maybe New York City can come up with a better plan.” “A lot of people who got waivers were … people who are our friends.”

“We in New York already have hospitals, we already employ doctors and we employ nurses. We have a lot of uninsured people. … [Setting up] the exchanges is the one piece of the puzzle that would be difficult for us to do,” he said. “I’m just looking internally to see whether the city can save money and have more control over its own destiny.
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Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York - Kate Nocera - POLITICO.com

no EXCHANGE?

so as to SAVE the city MONEY?

no EXCHANGE = no OBAMACARE

happy birthday, baby!
 
ptif219 said:
It is on topic. Medicaid is single payer government insurance.
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Actually, no. It only covers the most at risk population, and is quite different than the the type of system I speaking of. If you're trying to make a direct comparison, you're uninformed and really don't understand the issue before you.
 
i wonder why ANTHONY WEINER---of all people---would want a WAIVER---of all things---for NEW YORK CITY---of all places

wow!
 
The Prof said:
i wonder why ANTHONY WEINER---of all people---would want a WAIVER---of all things---for NEW YORK CITY---of all places

wow!
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The state cut ~2 bil of our funding and we can't afford it anymore. NYC has a lot of poor people.
 
Boo Radley said:
Actually, no. It only covers the most at risk population, and is quite different than the the type of system I speaking of. If you're trying to make a direct comparison, you're uninformed and really don't understand the issue before you.
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Nice spin to not face the fact Obama would but most on substandard healthcare
 
iamitter said:
The state cut ~2 bil of our funding and we can't afford it anymore. NYC has a lot of poor people.
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This is an example of what will happen under Obamacare. The states will all have financial problems trying to pay for Obamacare
 
ptif219 said:
This is an example of what will happen under Obamacare. The states will all have financial problems trying to pay for Obamacare
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That wasn't because of the health care act, but state funding.
 
obamacare massively expands medicaid without funding the millions of new enrollees, say bill richardson, christine gregoire, brian schweitzer, bill ritter

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

tennessee's dem gub phil bredesen, the leader of the blue gub revolt, famously called this expansion "the mother of unfunded mandates"

Bredesen criticizes Obama's health care plan | Nashville City Paper

why are the gubs all complaining

Governors: Medicaid More A Budget Buster Than Ever : NPR

the same reason ANTHONY WEINER, of all people, wants a WAIVER for the APPLE, of all places

medicaid has always been "the ghetto of health care"

the by now famous uva study cited by the asa finds that patients on medicaid fare WORSE---higher costs, longer stays, increased mortalities---than americans with NO INSURANCE

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

obamacare's massive expansion, unfunded, makes all these tragic troubles concerning budgeting and quality of care calamitously worse

ask weiner

why do so many want OUT?

why does sebelius keep letting em go?

what's she gonna say to the next 1000 applicants?

how could the party have proceeded this far without foreseeing all these difficulties?

the opposition certainly saw, so did the dem gubs

the consequences were obvious

stay up
 
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iamitter said:
That wasn't because of the health care act, but state funding.
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Look at Obama care it will put millions on medicaid. The feds do not cover the total cost of medicaid. So this will bankrupt the states.
 
ptif219 said:
Nice spin to not face the fact Obama would but most on substandard healthcare
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That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.
 
Boo Radley said:
That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.
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Which is where Obamacare puts millions of people
 
Boo Radley said:
That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.
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obamacare's a loser

grow up
 
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