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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

From the prof mindless linking:

“I think the governors would all agree that what we don’t want from the federal government is unfunded mandates,’’ said Governor Jim Douglas of Vermont, a Republican who is the group’s incoming chairman.

(so what they want is the feds to pay for it. Sounds like single payer to me.)

Although many governors said significant change was needed, . . .

(don't forget this preface to their comments.)

The governors said in interviews and public sessions that the bills being drafted in Congress would not do enough to curb the growth in health spending.

(again, like I have said, they didn't do too much, but did too little.)

I agree with them, a single payer system would do more. The bill did not go far enough.
 
here's just SOME of the poison packed in obamacare:

half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

substance, baby!

nothin beats it
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Boo Radley said:
It's not corruption. Both sides were involved in making the laws. Both side make up our representatives. The issue ahs bene debated again and again. You just lost. Make a better argument. Making silly accusations is not a better argument.
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You lose if you think we get anything from politicians
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ptif219 said:
You lose if you think we get anything from politicians
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Not sure what you mean about get anything. I see politicians like anyone else. They have a job, some are diliegent, some not so much, some lazy, some not so much, some corrupt, a couple less so. But, we ahve a system. We go through a process. And we can overthrow every election cycle. Taht's the way it works.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Boo Radley said:
Not sure what you mean about get anything. I see politicians like anyone else. They have a job, some are diliegent, some not so much, some lazy, some not so much, some corrupt, a couple less so. But, we ahve a system. We go through a process. And we can overthrow every election cycle. Taht's the way it works.
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Yep, and when Dems are overthrown during an election cycle, the ones remaining take their marbles and run to another state when they disagree with the majority elected by the people.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Gill said:
Yep, and when Dems are overthrown during an election cycle, the ones remaining take their marbles and run to another state when they disagree with the majority elected by the people.
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Yes, they were voted out. And we may argue over their actions, but that is a different topic. When officals on in seession, doing their job, voting, you can't call working within the system theft.
 
ricksfolly said:
No dental coverage on my MEDICARE either. When old farts like me really need it.

ricksfolly
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None on my private insurance either. Private insurance really sucks!!!!
 
Boo Radley said:
The governors said in interviews and public sessions that the bills being drafted in Congress would not do enough to curb the growth in health spending.

(again, like I have said, they didn't do too much, but did too little.)

I agree with them, a single payer system would do more. The bill did not go far enough.
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Of course single payer is the logical solution, always has been, but unfortunately, there is no logic in politics, only Lobbyists, partisan pressure, and secret deals with big money interests.

ricksfolly
 
Boo Radley said:
None on my private insurance either. Private insurance really sucks!!!!
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Right, govt. will provide much better quality for you than the private sector, good luck

By the way, wasn't it you that said there wouldn't be rationing?

Breaking News Alert: Organ-transplant system considering rules that would benefit younger, healthier people
February 23, 2011 9:16:19 PM
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The nation’s organ-transplant network is considering giving younger, healthier people preference over older, sicker patients for the best kidneys. The new rules would do away with the current system of giving priority primarily to patients who have been on the waiting list longest, as part of the most comprehensive overhaul of the transplant system in 25 years.

Under kidney transplant proposal, younger patients would get the best organs
 
ricksfolly said:
Of course single payer is the logical solution, always has been, but unfortunately, there is no logic in politics, only Lobbyists, partisan pressure, and secret deals with big money interests.

ricksfolly
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I have asked this before but you and others ignore it, name for me one single payer system in the world that has been successful in lowering costs. IF it doesn't lower costs why do it?
 
Conservative said:
Right, govt. will provide much better quality for you than the private sector, good luck

By the way, wasn't it you that said there wouldn't be rationing?

Breaking News Alert: Organ-transplant system considering rules that would benefit younger, healthier people
February 23, 2011 9:16:19 PM
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The nation’s organ-transplant network is considering giving younger, healthier people preference over older, sicker patients for the best kidneys. The new rules would do away with the current system of giving priority primarily to patients who have been on the waiting list longest, as part of the most comprehensive overhaul of the transplant system in 25 years.

Under kidney transplant proposal, younger patients would get the best organs
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If they give me that service and the private sector doesn't, yeah.

:coffeepap
 
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ricksfolly said:
there is no logic in politics, only Lobbyists, partisan pressure, and secret deals with big money interests
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and the will of the american people

tsunami tuesday, baby---most house seats since 38, most state reps and leg's in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

the american people elected barack hussein obama rather convincingly in november, 08

they musta rather decisively changed their minds since

i wonder why
 
Conservative said:
I am sure you can provide examples of where the govt. has provided better service and quality than the private sector on important issues like healthcare, right?

How about that Canadian system? Wonder how you would respond if it were your child in Canada?

FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Places Hope in Michigan Hospital
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You realize if she is in a vegatative state, she is already dead? Don't you remember the Chavo case? You might find your insurance company wouldn't pay for this either. And for the record, if my child was in a vegatative state, dead, I would say good by and grieve. The pain would be terrible, but I don't know anyone who can raise the dead other than God.
 
Conservative said:
You simply cannot admit that you are wrong. I haven't seen the private sector preventing treatment for anyone.
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If you ahven't seen it, you haven't look. Insurance companies deny care by denying payment routinely.
 
Boo Radley said:
You realize if she is in a vegatative state, she is already dead? Don't you remember the Chavo case? You might find your insurance company wouldn't pay for this either. And for the record, if my child was in a vegatative state, dead, I would say good by and grieve. The pain would be terrible, but I don't know anyone who can raise the dead other than God.
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So who made you God? The parents see it differently but you have no problem letting the bureaucrats decide. Wonder how you would feel if this were your child?
 
Conservative said:
This isn't about payment, this is about treatment being denied.
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Well, it is about payment. you can't have something done you can't pay for. We won't do it here either. treating someone already dead is usually frowned on by insurance companies. Few argue it is something we should eb doing.
 
Conservative said:
By the way, wasn't it you that said there wouldn't be rationing?
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Two words: Nataline Sarkisyan.

The private sector rations, too. That's the reality of any market with a finite resource where demand exceeds supply (or greed exceeds customer service).

ETA: Assuming, of course, that consumers are unable to hoard.
 
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Conservative said:
So who made you God? The parents see it differently but you have no problem letting the bureaucrats decide. Wonder how you would feel if this were your child?
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No one, and I'm not God. But you don't have to be God to know a consistent vegatative state is dead. We can all make all kinds of declarations, but the fact is this child is in a vegatative state. no one is arguing they can change her situation, so once again, your side has missed the point all together.
 
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