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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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Since this thread is about Obamacare this may help you see it is not going anywhere

House blocks funding for health care law - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2012 Election - USATODAY.com

The GOP-led House voted today to block funding to implement the nation's health care law.

The action came on several amendments to a must-pass spending bill that would pay for government operations from March through September.

Specifically, the House voted to prohibit any funds be used by the Internal Revenue Service to carry out the law's mandate that Americans buy health insurance. The individual mandate, one of the law's key tenets, has been struck down by federal courts.
 
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Debt-ridden, unconstitutional, and defunded.

Put a fork in her, she's done.
 
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No. What was said, was said, and therefore objective. Interpreted. Let's try that:

"Sir, we have reason to doubt his story. He's unrelaiable."


Give me different interpretations.

Doubt doesn't mean that it's not true. So the way someone takes that statement is very subjective.
 
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Exactly. Nowhere in the Constitution is Congress authorized to regulate inactivity. Congress doesn't have the power to fine us for not doing something.

I asked earlier about this. With Social Security, we have to pay in to a system that benefits us at some point, similar to the way national health insurance would operate. If you work and get paid, and don't pay in to SS, you will certainly be fined, maybe pursued for a criminal act.
 
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I asked earlier about this. With Social Security, we have to pay in to a system that benefits us at some point, similar to the way national health insurance would operate.

And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

ricksfolly
 
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And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

ricksfolly

Right, like health insurance, when you need it, you're glad you have it.

I probably didn't make clear that I was saying since SS is legal, national health insurance, which would work in a very similar way, should be legal too.
 
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by the time you reach 65 you will still have to work an unknown number of years before you are eligible for your piddly thousand a month since the insolvency of social security is gonna require such draconian FIX

the retirement age will be upped, benefits will be cut, payroll will increase, the income cap will raise---ie, ALL of the poison pills will be prescribed

a system that can't keep its fundamental promises is a FAILURE

by the time you reach 65 you will have been FORCED to pay into social security, if you make 70000 per, more than a HALF MILLION dollars over your working life---EXCLUDING interest

if you don't quite reach the steadily and rather stealthily advancing retirement age, you and yours will LOSE to the system the bulk of your lifetime's investment

and even at that, social security is insolvent

it's the biggest ripoff this side of red china
 
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And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

ricksfolly

And if you die at 61 the government keeps it
 
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Doubt doesn't mean that it's not true. So the way someone takes that statement is very subjective.

Be serious. The point is you can't assume it's true. You can't act like it is true, ignoring doubt, and be called honest.
 
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Be serious. The point is you can't assume it's true. You can't act like it is true, ignoring doubt, and be called honest.

So you want to debate what is and is not honest vs what is and is not subjective. You're interpretation of what is or is not honest is in and of itself, subjective. :lol:
 
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So you want to debate what is and is not honest vs what is and is not subjective. You're interpretation of what is or is not honest is in and of itself, subjective. :lol:

To a degree. But, is their no objective standard of honesty? If I tell half a truth, is that always honest? Always dishoenst? Mostly honest? Mostly dishonest? You seem to want to live in a world in which you can bend things to fit your position. I think we can be more objective than that.
 
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More spends (sic) on someone else.

a worker pays into social security to the tune of 5 to 10,000 per year for 40 years, dies a little too soon, his or her family is totally ripped off their lifetime's investment

and the thoughtful reaction is: ;)

unbelievable
 
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To a degree. But, is their no objective standard of honesty?
No there is not.

If I tell half a truth, is that always honest?
It's a half truth. (Which btw, is a nice faux pas because that's usually what you do).

Always dishoenst? Mostly honest? Mostly dishonest?
We're not discussing absolutely, we're discussing subjectivity, or at least you were attempting to do so. Mostly honest, mostly, partly, partially... all still subjective.

You seem to want to live in a world in which you can bend things to fit your position. I think we can be more objective than that.
Your thinking that is subjective. :shrug:
 
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a worker pays into social security to the tune of 5 to 10,000 per year for 40 years, dies a little too soon, his or her family is totally ripped off their lifetime's investment

and the thoughtful reaction is: ;)

unbelievable

Ripped off? Hardly. Many live longer and get more than they paid in. This was how the system was set up. We have a representative form of government, and all of us had representatives helping to mold this system.
 
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Ripped off? Hardly.

you were talking about the fella who died at 61, remember?

LOL!

it was only five minutes ago

;)
 
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Many live longer and get more than they paid in.

a person making 70,000 a year would have to receive the avg soc sec payout of $1076 a month for more than 40 years to break even with THE PRINCIPAL only he or she has been forced to pay into the system

get real
 
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a person making 70,000 a year would have to receive the avg soc sec payout of $1076 a month for more than 40 years to break even with THE PRINCIPAL only he or she has been forced to pay into the system

get real

so what? social security isn't a personal savings account. people were never promised they would receive what they paid in.
 
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so what? social security isn't a personal savings account. people were never promised they would receive what they paid in.

But originally, citizens were taxed one percent of their income, too.
 
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More spends on someone else. ;)

Shows the corruption of the government when they run anything. The government spent our money they should have to pay for that extortion
 
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Shows the corruption of the government when they run anything. The government spent our money they should have to pay for that extortion

It's spent on us. Our money, on us. Where do you get extortin from that? :roll:
 
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But originally, citizens were taxed one percent of their income, too.

And originally it did less than it does now.
 
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so what? social security isn't a personal savings account. people were never promised they would receive what they paid in.

So it is extortion by the government
 
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