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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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Ock, I got it, leave it be. Everybody knock off the personal crap, or I'll start handing out infractions like Halloween candy and THEN flush the thread. Last warning.
 
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Whovian said:
post of the day!
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I wonder what the reaction would be today if GW Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon would have ignored a court order and not ceased their activities? Contrast today with today's Administration that seems to be ignoring a court order and continuing the implementation of Obamacare?
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Conservative said:
I wonder what the reaction would be today if GW Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon would have ignored a court order and not ceased their activities? Contrast today with today's Administration that seems to be ignoring a court order and continuing the implementation of Obamacare?
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I would think "demonstrations in the streets". Remember these?

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Anti-Bush Protests in Pictures
 
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Ockham said:
I would think "demonstrations in the streets". Remember these?

WARNING: Some of these pictures may not be safe for work!

Anti-Bush Protests in Pictures
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Right, so much for civility! Seems civility only matters when a liberal is in charge and after doing so much harm to the economy.
 
iamitter said:
Who you think should not vote is irrelevant. I don't think anyone below an IQ of 145 should vote. So what - no one cares about my opinion in this matter.
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Not for an idealistic reason, for political gain. We all know that most Dems don't get the education Reps do, so the Reps would get more votes. Class exclusion has a long history. Back in the thirties, only property owners could borrow library books.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Conservative said:
I wonder what the reaction would be today if GW Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon would have ignored a court order and not ceased their activities? Contrast today with today's Administration that seems to be ignoring a court order and continuing the implementation of Obamacare?
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA FAIL. The Obama administration isn't ignoring a court order. What a ridiculous statement. First of all, the administration has the right to appeal; second, at this moment, his ruling doesn't apply to the entire US, because, as Stephen Presser, a professor of legal history at Northwestern University in Chicago said, "the ruling is enforceable only in the territory governed by the federal courts of Florida’s northern district, encompassing Pensacola, Gainesville and the state’s capital, Tallahassee."

White House to Pursue Health-Care Appeal After Florida Ruling - Bloomberg
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA FAIL. The Obama administration isn't ignoring a court order. What a ridiculous statement. First of all, the administration has the right to appeal; second, at this moment, his ruling doesn't apply to the entire US, because, as Stephen Presser, a professor of legal history at Northwestern University in Chicago said, "the ruling is enforceable only in the territory governed by the federal courts of Florida’s northern district, encompassing Pensacola, Gainesville and the state’s capital, Tallahassee."

White House to Pursue Health-Care Appeal After Florida Ruling - Bloomberg
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The Constitution of the United States doesn't just apply to Florida. The Bill was declared unconstitutional so keep spinning.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA FAIL. The Obama administration isn't ignoring a court order. What a ridiculous statement. First of all, the administration has the right to appeal; second, at this moment, his ruling doesn't apply to the entire US, because, as Stephen Presser, a professor of legal history at Northwestern University in Chicago said, "the ruling is enforceable only in the territory governed by the federal courts of Florida’s northern district, encompassing Pensacola, Gainesville and the state’s capital, Tallahassee."

White House to Pursue Health-Care Appeal After Florida Ruling - Bloomberg
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Wrong the suit included 25 states that is half of the country
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA FAIL. The Obama administration isn't ignoring a court order. What a ridiculous statement. First of all, the administration has the right to appeal;
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No stay has been granted and they have not yet appealed. Obamacare should be dead in its tracks until one or the other occurs.
 
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Conservative said:
The Constitution of the United States doesn't just apply to Florida. The Bill was declared unconstitutional so keep spinning.
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HAHAHAHA Wow, you are so wrong it's not even funny. Ok, genius. Show me where in the Constitution it says that a district court's ruling immediately applies to the entire country. Get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about. Until the Supreme Court declares the law unconstitutional, it is still in place. Unless you can provide some evidence (like I did), that's just your own misinformed opinion.

nder the ruling, only the direct parties to the case potentially are exempt from the law's requirements, according to the plaintiff's attorney, David Rivkin.

However, Rivkin said, the ruling does not touch any provisions of the law that relate to insurance companies and employers, because they are not part of the lawsuit. This means, for instance, that the opinion does not jeopardize some aspects of the law that already have gone into effect, including the ability of young adults to remain longer on their parents' insurance policies.

States Divided on Meaning of Health Care Ruling - CBS News
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All of the provisions from the health care legislation that have already taken effect still stand. For example, anyone under the age of 26 may sign up for insurance coverage on his or her parents’ plan, and insurance companies are not allowed to deny coverage to children who already have chronic or acute medical problems.

What health care ruling means – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs
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Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Taylor said:
No stay has been granted and they have not yet appealed. Obamacare should be dead in its tracks until one or the other occurs.
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What you think should or should not happen is irrelevant. The entire law is not unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says so.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
HAHAHAHA Wow, you are so wrong it's not even funny. Ok, genius. Show me where in the Constitution it says that a district court's ruling immediately applies to the entire country. Get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about. Until the Supreme Court declares the law unconstitutional, it is still in place. Unless you can provide some evidence (like I did), that's just your own misinformed opinion.
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You really aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. When the bill was declared unconstitutional, until a stay is issued that law cannot be implemented.
 
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By your logic, Conservative, the two rulings that held up the constitutionality of the mandate means that the law is constitutional. But it doesn't work like that. Obama won a couple of rulings; conservatives won a couple of rulings. Now the SCOTUS will make the ultimate decision. See how that works?
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
By your logic, Conservative, the two rulings that held up the constitutionality of the mandate means that the law is constitutional. But it doesn't work like that. Obama won a couple of rulings; conservatives won a couple of rulings. Now the SCOTUS will make the ultimate decision. See how that works?
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I do see how it works, do you? The Federal Court in Florida heard a case from 26 states and ruled the law unconstitutional. Until a stay is granted that is the ruling whether you like it or not. I am sure you have no problem with the govt. telling you what you have to buy and getting more involved in your life. Individual freedoms were attacked by an overreaching govt. that you and others seem to want.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Conservative said:
You really aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. When the bill was declared unconstitutional, until a stay is issued that law cannot be implemented.
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I never claimed to be a genius. It's common sense. You said that the ruling means that the entire law is unconstitutional, and that the Obama administration is violating a court order by not ceasing all implementation. I proved you wrong. I provided links that dispute your claim. Care to show me some proof that you're right, or are you just going to give me you opinion again?

However, Rivkin said, the ruling does not touch any provisions of the law that relate to insurance companies and employers, because they are not part of the lawsuit. This means, for instance, that the opinion does not jeopardize some aspects of the law that already have gone into effect, including the ability of young adults to remain longer on their parents' insurance policies.
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Prove him wrong.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
I never claimed to be a genius. It's common sense. You said that the ruling means that the entire law is unconstitutional, and that the Obama administration is violating a court order by not ceasing all implementation. I proved you wrong. I provided links that dispute your claim. Care to show me some proof that you're right, or are you just going to give me you opinion again?



Prove him wrong.
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I don't have to prove him wrong, read the ruling and take it up with the Judge. There is no severability clause in the law therefore the entire law is unconstitutional because of the mandate
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
What you think should or should not happen is irrelevant. The entire law is not unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says so.
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The entire law is currently unconstitutional in over 50% of the country right now. That's just the law. Like I said, if Obama doesn't like it, he can ask for a stay or file an appeal.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Sgt Meowenstein said:
I never claimed to be a genius. It's common sense. You said that the ruling means that the entire law is unconstitutional, and that the Obama administration is violating a court order by not ceasing all implementation. I proved you wrong. I provided links that dispute your claim. Care to show me some proof that you're right, or are you just going to give me you opinion again?



Prove him wrong.
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Judge Rules Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional - FoxNews.com
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Taylor said:
No stay has been granted and they have not yet appealed. Obamacare should be dead in its tracks until one or the other occurs.
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Senators rejected, 51 (all Dems) to 47 (all Reps) a bid to repeal the health bill, so let's stop all the bickering and make the health bill work for everyone, the same way it works for all the other Western countries.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ricksfolly said:
Senators rejected, 51 (all Dems) to 47 (all Reps) a bid to repeal the health bill, so let's stop all the bickering and make the health bill work for everyone, the same way it works for all the other Western countries.
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We should all "make it work" because 51 Democrats voted to keep an unconstitutional bill?
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Taylor said:
The entire law is currently unconstitutional in over 50% of the country right now. That's just the law. Like I said, if Obama doesn't like it, he can ask for a stay or file an appeal.
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It's just another way for the Reps to drag their feet. Participation is already forced on people in several ways, and not one word about it in the Constitution.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

Taylor said:
We should all "make it work" because 51 Democrats voted to keep an unconstitutional bill?
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Which part of the Constitution are you talking about? I just finished reading it, and the bill of rights, and I couldn't find anything that mentions it. If I can't find it, Judges can't find it either.

ricksfolly
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

randel said:
and a couple of other judges have ruled it constitutional...so your point is?? it will end up at the supreme court.
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Why don't you take it up with the judge who made the ruling on behalf of the 26 states that filed against it? What if GW Bush, Reagan, or Nixon were in a similar situation and the latest court ruled against a law that they enacted? My bet is you would be outraged and calling for contempt of court charges.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

ricksfolly said:
Which part of the Constitution are you talking about? I just finished reading it, and the bill of rights, and I couldn't find anything that mentions it. If I can't find it, Judges can't find it either.

ricksfolly
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Exactly. Nowhere in the Constitution is Congress authorized to regulate inactivity. Congress doesn't have the power to fine us for not doing something.
 
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