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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    obamacare massively expands medicaid without funding the millions of new enrollees, say bill richardson, christine gregoire, brian schweitzer, bill ritter

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    tennessee's dem gub phil bredesen, the leader of the blue gub revolt, famously called this expansion "the mother of unfunded mandates"

    Bredesen criticizes Obama's health care plan | Nashville City Paper

    why are the gubs all complaining

    Governors: Medicaid More A Budget Buster Than Ever : NPR

    the same reason ANTHONY WEINER, of all people, wants a WAIVER for the APPLE, of all places

    medicaid has always been "the ghetto of health care"

    the by now famous uva study cited by the asa finds that patients on medicaid fare WORSE---higher costs, longer stays, increased mortalities---than americans with NO INSURANCE

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    obamacare's massive expansion, unfunded, makes all these tragic troubles concerning budgeting and quality of care calamitously worse

    ask weiner

    why do so many want OUT?

    why does sebelius keep letting em go?

    what's she gonna say to the next 1000 applicants?

    how could the party have proceeded this far without foreseeing all these difficulties?

    the opposition certainly saw, so did the dem gubs

    the consequences were obvious

    stay up
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    That wasn't because of the health care act, but state funding.
    Look at Obama care it will put millions on medicaid. The feds do not cover the total cost of medicaid. So this will bankrupt the states.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice spin to not face the fact Obama would but most on substandard healthcare
    That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.
    Which is where Obamacare puts millions of people

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That sentence is a little hard to follow. Let's try again. Medicare is not equal to a single payer system. instead it is a system designed to only cover the most at risk population. This is a very different animal.
    obamacare's a loser

    grow up

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Anyone who claims to know how much the health care law will cost is missing one big piece of information: the exact cost of the benefits.

    They can’t know it, because the benefits package is still being worked out, and its final shape will determine whether the Congressional Budget Office estimate was in the ballpark or not even close. Starting in 2014, all health plans offered through the state health insurance exchanges will have to offer the “essential health benefits package” — a set of minimum services all individuals and small businesses are supposed to have in their coverage. That package will have a direct impact on the cost of the law, because people will get subsidies to help them buy coverage if they can’t afford it on their own.

    Make the benefits package too stingy, and consumer advocates will say the law failed in its goal of protecting people from big gaps in coverage. Make it too generous, though, and the premiums for those plans will go up — and the federal government will have to spend that much more on the subsidies.

    If that happens, the CBO projections that the law will pay for itself — and actually reduce the deficit by $143 billion over 10 years — might underestimate the actual costs. That’s critical, because Democrats are making so much of the CBO’s estimate that the law will reduce the deficit while Republicans suggest it will actually drown the nation in red ink.

    Or the higher premiums could just scare people away from buying coverage and make them decide the fines under the individual mandate would be cheaper. In that scenario, there wouldn’t be as many subsidies to pay — but not as many newly insured people, either.

    The law doesn’t try to spell out the exact package. Instead, it lists several categories of benefits and leaves it to the Department of Health and Human Services to figure out exactly what to cover within those categories and what kind of limits the coverage should have. So the exact cost of the package won’t be known until HHS makes those decisions.

    But even though the committee [put together by the institute of medicine] is keeping a tight lid on its deliberations — with strict orders to members not to make even general comments about the trade-offs they face — the institute’s report won’t actually recommend what should be in the package. All it will do is suggest what HHS officials should think about when they design the package.
    Health law cost still a wild card - David Nather - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    why does weiner want a waiver

    he says it's to SAVE COSTS to new york city

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Which is where Obamacare puts millions of people
    That again doesn't make sense. Millions are not an at risk population. Do you know how insurance works?

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    anthony weiner KNOWS

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That again doesn't make sense. Millions are not an at risk population. Do you know how insurance works?
    Then why bother with obamacare

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