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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    People don't want a Canadian replica of healthcare.

    Have any of you even went to Canada and observed the hospital waiting lines?

    Perplexing, truly.


    Do you actually believe there is only one model? And do you not think something can be done differently, improved upon?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    patriotic americans do not expect their models to be designed in closets

    "The House and Senate plan to put together the final health care reform bill behind closed doors according to an agreement by top Democrats," House Speaker Nanci Pelosi said today at the White House.
    Obama Reneges on Health Care Transparency - CBS Evening News - CBS News

    but obama does

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you actually believe there is only one model? And do you not think something can be done differently, improved upon?
    Since we're talking models, let's consider communism as but an example. Many different kinds; all peaceful, I'd imagine. What say you?

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    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

    RCP Average Against/Oppose +11.3
    Bloomberg Against/Oppose +10
    Rasmussen Reports Against/Oppose +15
    POS Against/Oppose +10
    Newsweek/Daily Beast Against/Oppose +19
    CBS News Against/Oppose +18
    FOX News Against/Oppose +17
    CNN/Opinion Research Against/Oppose +8
    NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Tie
    ABC News/Wash Post Against/Oppose +5
    too bad americans are stuck with approving or dissing THE BILL THAT'S BEFORE THEM instead of your favorites and fantasies

    oh well, party on

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    starbucks ceo, a big supporter, comes around

    I think as the bill is currently written and if it was going to land in 2014 under the current guidelines, the pressure on small businesses, because of the mandate, is too great.
    Starbucks CEO rethinks health law position - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Since we're talking models, let's consider communism as but an example. Many different kinds; all peaceful, I'd imagine. What say you?
    That's kind of funny, sort of, not really.

    No one is advocating communism or even socialism. Only a more effective and less costly method of providing a public health concern. You know, like your fire department.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    obamacare...

    it's just like your FIRE DEPT

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's kind of funny, sort of, not really.

    No one is advocating communism or even socialism. Only a more effective and less costly method of providing a public health concern. You know, like your fire department.
    The government is going to run a more effective and less costly medical system?? That's exactly what they said in Canada over 40 years ago!

    You have no basis in for believing the US government will have a better plan, only that you want to believe it.In fact there is no government health system anywhere that is cost effective and gives good service. None! But you will become dependent on it, that's certain, and then become afraid to go without.

    The bureaucracy will also grow beyond your wildest dreams.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The government is going to run a more effective and less costly medical system?? That's exactly what they said in Canada over 40 years ago!

    You have no basis in for believing the US government will have a better plan, only that you want to believe it.In fact there is no government health system anywhere that is cost effective and gives good service. None! But you will become dependent on it, that's certain, and then become afraid to go without.

    The bureaucracy will also grow beyond your wildest dreams.
    You should investigate single payer a little more. There are more than a few ways to do, and yes, as we see, a single payer system is less costly and more effective in that it allows greater access.

    As for a better plan, we'd have to actually try and hammer one out before either of us could say how good it was or wasn't. The fear some have to even allowing the discussion, chosing instead to fear monger, says a lot about them.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    have the discussion?

    LOL!

    we already had it, it went on for 2 years

    it was called o-b-a-m-a-c-a-r-e

    it led to TSUNAMI TUESDAY

    you'd think DEPT CHAIRS would've heard

    STARBUCKS did

    obamacare encompasses a half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs increase:

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

    Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    another quarter T double counted:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    that's why obamacare is such a LOSER

    that's why the american people have REJECTED it

    dither on, didactics

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