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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    However. If you're poor, well **** off you don't deserve health care
    asa determines that americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality---than their neighbors whose primary payer status is medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    obamacare makes all that much worse, massively expanding the ghetto of health care with no funding

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    asa determines that americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---shorter stays, lower costs, reduced mortality---than their neighbors whose primary payer status is medicaid

    ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

    obamacare makes all that much worse, massively expanding the ghetto of health care with no funding
    You really buy that ****? If so, I suggest what they are saying is they fleece those who can pay.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think it is fair to say if you have MONEY in America, you are getting higher quality health care. I don't think there's any doubt about that Boo. I know this first hand.

    However. If you're poor, well **** off you don't deserve health care...

    I know which system I prefer
    I have no doubt about that. What I suggest is that won't change if we also include the poor in adequate care.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You really buy that ****?
    LOL!

    tell it to the asa

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Access is a major component, but you're mistaken if you think that automatically means less quality. Frankly for those getting access they didn't have the quality is much better. In with the right system, there's no reason quality would go down for anyone. You need to clear your mind of sterotypes and misinformation and really consider possibilities.
    The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?
    If my understanding is correct the MA law is not completely initiated yet so we won't know for awhile....

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    The passion you have for this issue is quite puzzling as is the fact that you ignore the results in MA. You cannot added millions more to the roles and reduce costs, totally and completely impossible. What affect has total access had on MA costs?
    No, it's not. We treat those with out access the most ineffective way possible, after they are really ill, and those costs are passed down to all of us. Hospitals charge to make up costs, and we have no idea if they over charge. Insurance companies have to make that up, so they continue to charge more in premiums and give less care, which contributes to the cycle as well.

    So, while it may intitially cost more to start giving all adequate care, less would have to be made up for by hospitals and docotrs. More doctors could be allowed to enter the profession (a number artificially held low), and we all benefit.

    And MA is not the perfect model. Using it is pointless as it is not what we are really discussing.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If my understanding is correct the MA law is not completely initiated yet so we won't know for awhile....
    Yes, the MA law is fully implemented and is costing more than projected with long waiting lines in the ER's and even longer waits to get into a doctor's office.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's not. We treat those with out access the most ineffective way possible, after they are really ill, and those costs are passed down to all of us. Hospitals charge to make up costs, and we have no idea if they over charge. Insurance companies have to make that up, so they continue to charge more in premiums and give less care, which contributes to the cycle as well.

    So, while it may intitially cost more to start giving all adequate care, less would have to be made up for by hospitals and docotrs. More doctors could be allowed to enter the profession (a number artificially held low), and we all benefit.

    And MA is not the perfect model. Using it is pointless as it is not what we are really discussing.
    Different day, same old rhetoric. Keep ignoring history and what is going on around the world. You see what you want to see and ignore the actual results. If a single payer system is so great why are European countries trying to convert to private industry?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Different day, same old rhetoric. Keep ignoring history and what is going on around the world. You see what you want to see and ignore the actual results. If a single payer system is so great why are European countries trying to convert to private industry?
    Project much? Anyone could say this about you my friend.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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