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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The surgery is a tracheotomy so the baby can breath well enough to get home to die. I hardly believe that a tracheotomy could be very expensive.
    Likely 2-3 thousand dollars. Maybe more. But the child is for all intents and purposes already dead.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Likely 2-3 thousand dollars. Maybe more. But the child is for all intents and purposes already dead.
    more likely a few hundred dollars.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    more likely a few hundred dollars.
    I think your wrong:

    Charge for 1 hour of OR time was $750. This number includes hospital resources such as rental of OR space, lighting and energy, and personnel to run, stock, and clean the OR space. Anesthesiology fees were quoted at $525 for 1 hour of physician time and $288 for anesthetic and intravenous drugs and anesthesia-related equipment for 1 hour, for a total of $813. Billing for the anesthesiologist often began on interview of the patient in the preoperative holding area. Surgical supplies and instrument fees for a tracheostomy done in the OR were $130 per case. The total cost per tracheostomy done in the OR, assuming 1 hour of surgical time, was $1693.

    Safety of pediatric bedside tracheostomy in the intensive care unit

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think your wrong:

    Charge for 1 hour of OR time was $750. This number includes hospital resources such as rental of OR space, lighting and energy, and personnel to run, stock, and clean the OR space. Anesthesiology fees were quoted at $525 for 1 hour of physician time and $288 for anesthetic and intravenous drugs and anesthesia-related equipment for 1 hour, for a total of $813. Billing for the anesthesiologist often began on interview of the patient in the preoperative holding area. Surgical supplies and instrument fees for a tracheostomy done in the OR were $130 per case. The total cost per tracheostomy done in the OR, assuming 1 hour of surgical time, was $1693.

    Safety of pediatric bedside tracheostomy in the intensive care unit
    Trachs don't require an operating room. A bedside operation is simpler and cheaper... and likely all that's needed in this case.

    Interventions: Tracheostomy.

    Main Outcome Measures: The initial 48-hour postoperative period was examined to compare complication rates between groups.

    Results: Overall, the 2 groups had similar complication rates (chi^sup 2^=0.12; P=.73). The operating room group had 3 complications (10%) related to bleeding, infection, and pneumothorax. The bedside group had 2 complications (7%), both involving pneumothorax. Each operating room tracheostomy incurred charges totaling $1693 vs $235 for each bedside tracheostomy.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Trachs don't require an operating room. A bedside operation is simpler and cheaper... and likely all that's needed in this case.
    Maybe. You may be right. Perhaps we need more infiormation. Perhaps some can pay it for them.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    BTW, isn't this bedside:

    Mean patient charges for the procedure performed in the intensive care unit by a surgeon, nurse, and respiratory therapist were $997 (95% confidence interval, $975 to $1018) compared with $2642 (95% confidence interval, $2513 to $2772) for standard tracheostomy (P<.001). This represented a savings of $1645 (95% confidence interval, $1492 to $1798) per tracheostomy.

    Percutaneous dilatational tracheostomy. A safe, co... [Arch Surg. 1996] - PubMed result

    Is this where you got your information?

    http://archotol.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/127/8/950.pdf

    If so, I found this statement in the text:

    Hospital charges, rather than true costs, were measured in this study.

    Not sure what that means, but might explin the differences.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    wow

    they're counting the costs

    of a boy that a person who can't spell vegetable has offhandedly, with the 60-second submission of a cavalier click, declared dead

    how heartless can a human be?

    about as wrapped up in oneself as a person who would say to a granny who is shorted by soc sec her half million, just put your special needs kid in the village

    cuz it's all

    beyond sickening, it's psychopathic

    notice how none around here but one will touch it

    just like a hundred other threads ALL ABOUT BOO

    barf

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    there is no logic in politics, only Lobbyists, partisan pressure, and secret deals with big money interests
    lobbyists, you say?

    today:

    Caught between their boss’ anti-lobbyist rhetoric and the reality of governing, President Barack Obama’s aides often steer meetings with lobbyists to a complex just off the White House grounds — and several of the lobbyists involved say they believe the choice of venue is no accident.

    It allows the Obama administration to keep these lobbyist meetings shielded from public view — and out of Secret Service logs kept on visitors to the White House and later released to the public.

    The White House scoffs at the notion of an ulterior motive for scheduling meetings in what are, after all, meeting rooms. But at least four lobbyists who’ve been to the conference rooms just off Lafayette Square tell POLITICO they had the distinct impression they were being shunted off to Jackson Place — and off the books — so their visits wouldn’t later be made public.
    Lobbyists: White House sends meetings off-site to hide them - Chris Frates - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure what you mean about get anything. I see politicians like anyone else. They have a job, some are diliegent, some not so much, some lazy, some not so much, some corrupt, a couple less so. But, we ahve a system. We go through a process. And we can overthrow every election cycle. Taht's the way it works.
    The last election the GOP got voted in saying they would repeal Obamacare so I should expect this to happen

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