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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm no lawyer; but the Obama administration is betting that the mandate falls under the commerce clause of the Constitution. From what I've heard of that argument, it makes sense to me. Obama knows the Constitution. His people know the Constitution. I'm guessing they made sure all of their T's were crossed and I's dotted.

    I did read the ruling. So what. It's ONE judges decision. Two other judges ruled the law is constitutional. Your'e right: the law will not be withheld. It will be upheld. Glad you agree with me.
    Keep praying it will be upheld while squeezing your teddy bear real tight.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The individual mandate has nothing to do with how the bill is funded. I don't think you understand the arguments why it was included in the first place.
    the invulnerables must be included in the pools to balance the exorbitant costs incurred by the rest of us, including all those pre existers

    where ya been

    A big chunk of the uninsured are healthy twenty-somethings who consider themselves "invulnerable." For health care reform to be successful, everyone must participate, including healthy people, to spread the risk among greater numbers.
    Health care reform bill's mandatory coverage - Washington DC Policy Reform | Examiner.com

    by the way, americans wholeheartedly support doing something to help this class of our dispossessed neighbors, friends and family members

    obama coulda got pre existing provisions with near unanimous support in both houses

    there are a lot of other parts of his bill he coulda got piecemeal, he'd have been a hero, one part per year for 8 years

    too bad he had to include all the other crap

    republicans will be sure to include the good things contained in obamacare when we draft our replacement (ongoing in house budget, energy and commerce, ways and means and help)

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Keep praying it will be upheld while squeezing your teddy bear real tight.
    Keep acting like a little child, and I'll dismiss you as such. You can say that it won't be upheld all you want. And I can say it will be upheld all I want. But the fact is that the SCOTUS will make that decision. Goodnight. Don't suck your thumb too hard.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Keep acting like a little child, and I'll dismiss you as such.
    Feel free to do whatever you'd like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You can say that it won't be upheld all you want.
    I'm not making any such claim... I'm simply laughing at your want and need for it to be upheld.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    And I can say it will be upheld all I want.
    Yes, you've already demonstrated that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    But the fact is that the SCOTUS will make that decision.
    Gee will they really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Goodnight. Don't suck your thumb too hard.
    Squeeze teddy for me when you do you "now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the SCOTUS the Obamacare to keep" prayers!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm no lawyer; but the Obama administration is betting that the mandate falls under the commerce clause of the Constitution. From what I've heard of that argument, it makes sense to me. Obama knows the Constitution. His people know the Constitution. I'm guessing they made sure all of their T's were crossed and I's dotted.

    I did read the ruling. So what. It's ONE judges decision. Two other judges ruled the law is constitutional. Your'e right: the law will not be withheld. It will be upheld. Glad you agree with me.
    Just tell me where you want me to send the check to pay for your health insurance since obviously you believe someone else should pay for it for you. Guess in your world personal responsibility always rests with someone else. The ruling is quite extensive and well written. Doubt you read it at all. The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is. That is something that rests in the states, not the Federal govt.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    do you have a link to Obama's statement to that effect?
    “For us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase,” the president said last September, in a spirited exchange with George Stephanopoulos on the ABC News program “This Week.”

    When Mr. Stephanopoulos said the penalty appeared to fit the dictionary definition of a tax, Mr. Obama replied, “I absolutely reject that notion.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/he.../18health.html

    indeed, judge vinson threw obama's words up against him

    Judge uses Obama's words against him - Washington Times

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Feel free to do whatever you'd like.

    I'm not making any such claim... I'm simply laughing at your want and need for it to be upheld.

    Yes, you've already demonstrated that.

    Gee will they really?

    Squeeze teddy for me when you do you "now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the SCOTUS the Obamacare to keep" prayers!
    I can see you're a real smart one. How can I argue with such genius?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    This was not a surprise. It'll be appealed.

    Except for this:

    I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.


    Judge uses Obama's words against him - Washington Times
    Man, it must suck to be an Obamabot Libbo, right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just tell me where you want me to send the check to pay for your health insurance since obviously you believe someone else should pay for it for you. Guess in your world personal responsibility always rests with someone else. The ruling is quite extensive and well written. Doubt you read it at all. The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is. That is something that rests in the states, not the Federal govt.
    Please spare me your ultra right-wing talking points. Just because I support this law doesn't mean that I'm a lazy, no-job-having mooch. I have job. I go to work everyday. Now shut up unless you have something constructive to say.

    I don't believe that everything should be handed to me. But I do believe that the citizens of this great country deserve more than they were getting. And thanks to this new (albeit imperfect) law, thousands of people in America are enjoying a better HC system. You want to take that away from them? Good luck at the ballot box in 2012.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The commerce clause has nothing to do with personal responsibility issues which healthcare is.
    Well, Obama's people and two federal judges disagree with you. This will be up to the SCOTUS.

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