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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I asked earlier about this. With Social Security, we have to pay in to a system that benefits us at some point, similar to the way national health insurance would operate.
    And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

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    Right, like health insurance, when you need it, you're glad you have it.

    I probably didn't make clear that I was saying since SS is legal, national health insurance, which would work in a very similar way, should be legal too.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    by the time you reach 65 you will still have to work an unknown number of years before you are eligible for your piddly thousand a month since the insolvency of social security is gonna require such draconian FIX

    the retirement age will be upped, benefits will be cut, payroll will increase, the income cap will raise---ie, ALL of the poison pills will be prescribed

    a system that can't keep its fundamental promises is a FAILURE

    by the time you reach 65 you will have been FORCED to pay into social security, if you make 70000 per, more than a HALF MILLION dollars over your working life---EXCLUDING interest

    if you don't quite reach the steadily and rather stealthily advancing retirement age, you and yours will LOSE to the system the bulk of your lifetime's investment

    and even at that, social security is insolvent

    it's the biggest ripoff this side of red china
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    And if and when you reach 65 (happens quicker than you think), you'll be glad you were forced to join. I sure was and still am.

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    And if you die at 61 the government keeps it

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    And if you die at 61 the government keeps it
    More spends on someone else.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Doubt doesn't mean that it's not true. So the way someone takes that statement is very subjective.
    Be serious. The point is you can't assume it's true. You can't act like it is true, ignoring doubt, and be called honest.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Be serious. The point is you can't assume it's true. You can't act like it is true, ignoring doubt, and be called honest.
    So you want to debate what is and is not honest vs what is and is not subjective. You're interpretation of what is or is not honest is in and of itself, subjective.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you want to debate what is and is not honest vs what is and is not subjective. You're interpretation of what is or is not honest is in and of itself, subjective.
    To a degree. But, is their no objective standard of honesty? If I tell half a truth, is that always honest? Always dishoenst? Mostly honest? Mostly dishonest? You seem to want to live in a world in which you can bend things to fit your position. I think we can be more objective than that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    More spends (sic) on someone else.
    a worker pays into social security to the tune of 5 to 10,000 per year for 40 years, dies a little too soon, his or her family is totally ripped off their lifetime's investment

    and the thoughtful reaction is:

    unbelievable

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To a degree. But, is their no objective standard of honesty?
    No there is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If I tell half a truth, is that always honest?
    It's a half truth. (Which btw, is a nice faux pas because that's usually what you do).

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Always dishoenst? Mostly honest? Mostly dishonest?
    We're not discussing absolutely, we're discussing subjectivity, or at least you were attempting to do so. Mostly honest, mostly, partly, partially... all still subjective.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to want to live in a world in which you can bend things to fit your position. I think we can be more objective than that.
    Your thinking that is subjective.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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