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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If I fall down. Is that fact, that I fell, objective or subjective?
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    Hobbes may have an answer too.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    how could anyone, i mean, really, how could anyone allow him or herself to be dragged into a ten page debate about the dictionary meaning of a word

    or another ten pages about NOT the bill that's before us all and all america but instead let's opine and speculate about the bill we WISH existed, our own precious, narcissistic ideals

    while, meantime, the entire world of reality is circulating VIOLENTLY around you

    the POLITICS of today are far, far more RADICAL, all sides, huge events, epic repurcussions, planet wide, than they've been in these parts since, perhaps, the war between the states, which the republicans won and the democrats lost

    and some of our best and worst thinkers in this fun forum are going back and forth forever about exactly where to dot the i

    it's preposterous

    to allow oneself to get so small is an open manifestation, in my opinion, of a lack of self respect

    i cringe for you, genuinely, often

    in other words, opine less, link more

    to each his own of course

    party on
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    and it aint just health care, y'know

    House votes to overthrow 'czars' - Robin Bravender - POLITICO.com

    there's that reality, again

    ugly, no?

    no wonder you prefer fantasies

    more---obama's czars include a safe schools overseer whose glsn twice produced infamous fistgate exercises for public school kids at tufts, a regulatory fella who feels fido has the "legal standing" to sue his owner and hunting should be banned, a health care dude who says rationing is right and who looks to the uk for his model, a sci guy who cowrote a textbook advocating forced abortion and sterilization to control population growth, and of course the long since gone green energy guru who signed a truther petition, stated that columbine massacres were done only by suburban white kids and accused american corporations of pumping pollution into people of color communities

    quite a collection of characters, there, mr commander in chief

    no wonder so many normal americans think you're rather odd

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Someone help me out here. It seems to me that the only distinguishing and somewhat unprecedented characteristic of the health care act is that it mandates people buy insurance from private companies. Otherwise it is pretty identical to Medicare or Social Security. An interesting point.

    However, isn't privatization of social security one of the classic conservative approaches to fixing social security? If that would be unconstitutional, that seems a little strange . . . can someone explain to me how privatizing social security would be different than how the health care mandate works? I'm honestly curious.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    1+1=2 That's objective.
    1+1 can just as easily equal 10 or 11 or a lot of different numbers.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Someone help me out here. It seems to me that the only distinguishing and somewhat unprecedented characteristic of the health care act is that it mandates people buy insurance from private companies. Otherwise it is pretty identical to Medicare or Social Security. An interesting point.

    However, isn't privatization of social security one of the classic conservative approaches to fixing social security? If that would be unconstitutional, that seems a little strange . . . can someone explain to me how privatizing social security would be different than how the health care mandate works? I'm honestly curious.
    The Obama plan is compulsory under penalty, the Bush privatization plan was optional and totally up to the taxpayer.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The Obama plan is compulsory under penalty, the Bush privatization plan was optional and totally up to the taxpayer.
    So if the individual didn't want to hand over his account to a private firm, the government would continue to hold and control it? Or social security was to become completely unmandatory?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    and it aint just health care, y'know

    House approves rider to defund FCC net rules - Eliza Krigman - POLITICO.com

    next up---planned parenthood and the corp for public broadcasting

    ongoing---any and everything epa

    elections have consequences

    what's more---we're gonna be APPLAUDED for our leadership

    unlike those oddballs who push govt takeovers of health care and the taxation of energy (in times like these) at both ends, production and consumption

    ideas positively unamerican

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    bush's soc sec privatization had workers paying a small part of their fica into private accounts they would control

    obamacare's mandate forces millions of young invulnerables to pay thousands a year TO AETNA

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