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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't believe you have to go backwards to no reform to fix it.
    you don't believe the house is required for the president to get his funding

    LOL!

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The measure is not likely to get past the Democratic-controlled Senate, which has already rejected a stand-alone effort to repeal the healthcare law.

    House to vote next week to block health funds | Reuters
    Just more contrived political road blocks to keep the pot boiling. The Reps know it will not pass the Senate, and yet they continue to keep using these delay tactics. Do they have a plan or are they just spinning their wheels?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Just more contrived political road blocks to keep the pot boiling. The Reps know it will not pass the Senate, and yet they continue to keep using these delay tactics. Do they have a plan or are they just spinning their wheels?

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    Delay it may be, but the House has the power of funding or not. Granted, it's unknown how long they can delay the funding or if they bring the Government to a work stoppage over the issue. If funding cannot be agreed upon, the law stays in place but implementation of the law by the States then is delayed. Not sure other than the ability to delay - is the end game, unless new bills or amendments are considered.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Just more contrived political road blocks to keep the pot boiling. The Reps know it will not pass the Senate, and yet they continue to keep using these delay tactics. Do they have a plan or are they just spinning their wheels?

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    The plan is to be obstructionists. That is the plan.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The plan is to be obstructionists. That is the plan.
    Then that's a good plan.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then that's a good plan.
    Some may think so. And it can be an effective tactic. But I would prefer they actually work to improve.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Do they have a plan or are they just spinning their wheels?
    of course we do

    we're gonna isolate the president from his own senate

    we're gonna get the reprobate on record in stubborn support of THE MANDATE in direct contrapunction of the people's will as expressed unequivocally and unambiguously on tsunami tuesday

    we're gonna take the senate

    and we're isolating the idiot electorally

    ie, OUT of the south, OUT of the rust belt, OUT of the midwest, OUT of the rocky mountain west...

    VETO the bipartisan repeal of the mandate, mr prez, make our day

    seeya at the polls, pals, as well as in the capitols, courts, congress and committees

    bring the media

    A new Dem threat to health care law - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

    Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    you really need to read, umm, THE NEWS

    since you don't, your talking as much as you do is an active INSULT to those of us who DO our work

    for example, TODAY:

    Pretty much as expected by conservatives, Obamacare has remained unpopular with the public. It's under attack in the courts. And now, vulnerable Senate Democrats are running for the hills. ABC News reports:

    "We're looking at everything humanly possible. I've always had a concern and a problem with the mandate, that we were forcing it, basically saying by the law of the land you have to buy the product," Sen. Joe Manchin, D-WV, told ABC News today. "But on the other hand, I know that's been the linchpin. I'm looking for flexibility any way I can." Manchin is one of the moderate Democrats trying to figure out how to repeal the individual mandate. While talks are still in the early stages, Manchin hopes the push will take shape sooner rather than later. Joining him in these efforts could be a handful of other Democrats who are also up for reelection in 2012: Nebraska's Ben Nelson, Missouri's Claire McCaskill, and Montana's Jon Tester.

    You can understand why liberals might be starting to panic. So earnest Obamacare supporters are rushing in. [Journolist founder] Ezra Klein offers his contribution: "Replacing the individual mandate wouldn't be particularly hard. All we need is another policy that does the same thing -- specifically, discourages free-riders who don't want to buy insurance until after they get sick and thus leave the rest of us paying for them. The danger is not that the law does get changed, but that it doesn't. That the GOP won't let it thrive and the Democrats won't let it die and so it just limps along."

    Democrats are running from Obamacare Their willingness to push for a major revision, one vehemently opposed by the White House, of the "historic legislation" is not a helpful sign for the saleability of the plan in the 2012 election. As for the politics, Ezra has missed a key stumbling block: House Republicans and more than 40 Senate Republicans will not vote for an individual mandate-lite, if you will. They want to repeal Obamacare outright or defund it. Remember, the Republicans are running and governing on repeal and replace. In other words, Obamacare can't be fixed in their eyes because the entire premise of the legislation and the cost it entails are unsustainable. And the president is opposed to it too. In other words, virtually everyone save the nervous Senate Democrats is opposed to the idea of fiddling with the individual mandate.

    Eventually the choice for red-state Democrats will be: Defend Obamacare as is or vote to repeal it. In the realm of electoral politics this is a "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition for the Republicans.
    Right Turn - Obamacare support melting away

    it looks like more than a half dozen dem senators are PART OF THE PLAN

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Some may think so. And it can be an effective tactic. But I would prefer they actually work to improve.
    House seen blocking healthcare funds | Reuters

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yeah? Any comment?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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