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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you don't seem to understand that you arent practicing what you preach....i find that amusing to no end.
    I don't think you understand the concept of personal responsibility. Being forced to pay into a SS and Medicare Fund affects personal responsibility by taking money away from individual choice. In your example giving the govt. $300 per month and more for Medicare takes away money that could be used to take your own personal responsibility. At the end of 35 years at 4% interest that is over 275,000 dollars that someone that accepts personal responsibility didn't have over that period of time. Now you say it is ok to get back what you put in with a 1% return over 35 years for allowing the govt. to use that money. How benevolent of you! Apparently you don't have a problem giving your money to the govt. interest free and allowing them to use it which is what they do with SS money. Apparently then it isn't personal responsibility to expect a return on that money and getting more than you put in back? that is liberalism and defines why we have such a divide today.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't think you understand the concept of personal responsibility. Being forced to pay into a SS and Medicare Fund affects personal responsibility by taking money away from individual choice. In your example giving the govt. $300 per month and more for Medicare takes away money that could be used to take your own personal responsibility. At the end of 35 years at 4% interest that is over 275,000 dollars that someone that accepts personal responsibility didn't have over that period of time. Now you say it is ok to get back what you put in with a 1% return over 35 years for allowing the govt. to use that money. How benevolent of you! Apparently you don't have a problem giving your money to the govt. interest free and allowing them to use it which is what they do with SS money. Apparently then it isn't personal responsibility to expect a return on that money and getting more than you put in back? that is liberalism and defines why we have such a divide today.
    the way you have pissed, beyatched, and moaned about government programs, and your personal views on those that use them, plus those 'core values' and all that professed 'personal responsibility' you have, i find it really amusing that you make use of some of the same programs. do as i say, not as i do, seems to be your mantra. but anyhoo, i've proven my point, or more accurately, you have proven it for me.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i find that amusing to no end.

    I find it amusing that you actualyl think you have some great point and are winning this conversation. I keep checking in to find out what your next silly statement will be.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the way you have pissed, beyatched, and moaned about government programs, and your personal views on those that use them, plus those 'core values' and all that professed 'personal responsibility' you have, i find it really amusing that you make use of some of the same programs. do as i say, not as i do, seems to be your mantra. but anyhoo, i've proven my point, or more accurately, you have proven it for me.
    Two different subjects but then again you appear to be too hard headed to understand it. Forced contribution takes away personal responsibility and choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Two different subjects but then again you appear to be too hard headed to understand it. Forced contribution takes away personal responsibility and choice.
    nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.
    I am doing just that, sticking to my values and accepting personal responsibility. Thanks for your concern. Forced to give money to the govt. for 35 years gave that govt. an interest free loan and now according to you it is a violation of values to expect to get that money back with interest. Says a lot about you.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.
    I gotta tell ya, I'm not following your argument here.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'd be ok with giving you your principal plus 1% back, no more....what happened to all this talk of 'personal responsibility'?
    It's all good man, just get the government to give back what they took, and I can assure you that I will fare better than the same person my age that depends on Uncle Sugar to provide.

    you shouldnt be depending on the government to give you anything back right? government is evil, right?
    Who said I want to. See your problem is, that I agree to your principle plus 1% thingy, however that would never happen, the government would never do it.

    Now what?


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good for you, did you send back to the govt. that which is over what you contributed and if not why not?
    Nope... It's my only source of income and it barely covers all my expenses. You'll find that 90 percent of the other older people who get monthly checks also barely get along.

    There's sixty million people out there getting monthly checks from SS, 20 percent of the population, all because Roosevelt had the foresight to see into the future.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    how ya gonna implement obamacare without funding?

    House to vote next week to block health funds | Reuters

    and how ya gonna get the resolutions without boehner?

    try to see moves ahead

    meanwhile, we'll all meet up in the courts, the capitols, the committees, the congress

    cheers!

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