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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    that is a government healthcare program chief....thought you were into the whole 'personal responsibility' thing?
    What part of forced contribution don't you understand? If I weren't forced to contribute you would be right, it is my responsibility but the govt. took that responsibility away from me and forced me to participate in Medicare. I know this is very hard for you to understand but I could have taken that SS money along with Medicare tax and put it towards my own retirement and health insurance. Now you are telling me that I am not entitled to my own money back and doing so makes me a hypocrit? It has to be tough to be a liberal because it makes absolutely no sense.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He is. Same rule applies. I have contributed to Medicare since I started working, yet I have my own health insurance policy. So give that money back as well and let me put it in a HSA, as well as investments, and buy a catastrophic plan and I'll be just fine.


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    I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.

    He may be confused. For years he claimed to be a conservative falsely elsewhere on the interwebs.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What part of forced contribution don't you understand? If I weren't forced to contribute you would be right, it is my responsibility but the govt. took that responsibility away from me and forced me to participate in Medicare. I know this is very hard for you to understand but I could have taken that SS money along with Medicare tax and put it towards my own retirement and health insurance. Now you are telling me that I am not entitled to my own money back and doing so makes me a hypocrit? It has to be tough to be a liberal because it makes absolutely no sense.
    again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am convinced that randel doesn't have a clue as to where her/his money that is taken out of the paycheck actually goes and for what purpose.
    no confusion here pal, you just can't deal with being called to the carpet.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.

    OMG, Read man. He, I, and others have already posted that if you are saying that those funds already taken were to be given back and we the people allowed to control them ourselves, that wouldn't be a problem. Did you not see that?


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG, Read man. He, I, and others have already posted that if you are saying that those funds already taken were to be given back and we the people allowed to control them ourselves, that wouldn't be a problem. Did you not see that?


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    shouldnt matter...if he was true to his beliefs, he would have nothing to do it.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    shouldnt matter...if he was true to his beliefs, he would have nothing to do it.

    What do you mean "shouldn't matter".... I don't know about you, but I am not in the habit of throwing money away. If you are saying that the government does a better job than I could at managing my retirement, and health care, but refuse to let me do so, then who is the real hypocrite here? You laid out a very simple proposition in that why those of us who are for personal responsibility over government control don't simply do that. I answered I think fairly that that would be fine, give me MY money back and I will. But that isn't good enough for you. You want me to start now, and give up my 30 years of forced contribution and just what? Write it off? Well nuts to that, give me MY money back.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.
    You assume that I am going to get more back than I put in, what makes you say that? How do you know what I put in and what I would have done with that money were I given the chance? Like all liberals you think you know more than you actually know. Give me my money back and let me invest it, it would then be the property of my family and not the property of the government.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What do you mean "shouldn't matter".... I don't know about you, but I am not in the habit of throwing money away. If you are saying that the government does a better job than I could at managing my retirement, and health care, but refuse to let me do so, then who is the real hypocrite here? You laid out a very simple proposition in that why those of us who are for personal responsibility over government control don't simply do that. I answered I think fairly that that would be fine, give me MY money back and I will. But that isn't good enough for you. You want me to start now, and give up my 30 years of forced contribution and just what? Write it off? Well nuts to that, give me MY money back.


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    i'd be ok with giving you your principal plus 1% back, no more....what happened to all this talk of 'personal responsibility'? you shouldnt be depending on the government to give you anything back right? government is evil, right?

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