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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    sorry mach, conservative has long made arguments and speeches about 'personal responsibility' and against what he considers to be socialist/liberal entitlement programs...he is being hypocritical in receiving more benefits than he paid in to social security, and in using medicare, when he has stated several times that healthcare is a 'personal responsibility', and not a government one....my point stands.
    You have no clue whether or not I or anyone else will receive more benefits than one paid into the system, but that doesn't stop you from speculating. Do you care that millions of families that did invest in SS never received what they contributed because they died too early? Had those people invested in their own "safe" savings account investment the money would be significantly higher and theirs. Of course that is a good thing for those that believe the money belongs to the govt. anyway.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have no clue whether or not I or anyone else will receive more benefits than one paid into the system, but that doesn't stop you from speculating. Do you care that millions of families that did invest in SS never received what they contributed because they died too early? Had those people invested in their own "safe" savings account investment the money would be significantly higher and theirs. Of course that is a good thing for those that believe the money belongs to the govt. anyway.
    not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    sorry mach, conservative has long made arguments and speeches about 'personal responsibility' and against what he considers to be socialist/liberal entitlement programs...he is being hypocritical in receiving more benefits than he paid in to social security, and in using medicare, when he has stated several times that healthcare is a 'personal responsibility', and not a government one....my point stands.
    All you did was restate your same argument. It's still debunked. This goes for any such argument.
    If these people were not forced to pay into the system, it would be different. But since they are forced to pay for SS, they should get their SS benefits. To suggest otherwise is still...absurd.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...
    And what is your proof that he is collecting more than what he put in over the years? All I can see is your claim, without the proof.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    not talking about anyone else...we are talking about you, and your hypocritical stances...
    Thanks for telling me how long I am going to live. I really appreciate the confidence you have and hopefully God is paying attention to you. I am sure you carry a lot of weight with him. Obviously you don't know how much I put into SS nor does that stop you from speculating. You really have missed your calling and should get a position predicting the future and then telling everyone else how much of their own money they get to keep. Good luck with that new assignment.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And what is your proof that he is collecting more than what he put in over the years? All I can see is your claim, without the proof.


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    Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

    for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

    at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thanks for telling me how long I am going to live. I really appreciate the confidence you have and hopefully God is paying attention to you. I am sure you carry a lot of weight with him. Obviously you don't know how much I put into SS nor does that stop you from speculating. You really have missed your calling and should get a position predicting the future and then telling everyone else how much of their own money they get to keep. Good luck with that new assignment.
    don't worry, me and the big G are tight...i'll put in a good word for ya

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

    for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

    at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.
    Well, that is the problem when you invent a ponzi scheme designed to only pay out for a couple of years based on collecting over a lifetime. If a private company were to do what the government forces me to do every week in my contribution to SS, they'd be jailed for scamming the public.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    Social Security (FICA) Wage Limits and Tax Rates

    for years before 2011, the max you would pay in for social security is around 6 grand...max benefit is around 2300....at max benefit, you get around 27,500....you do the math....

    at about half max....say 1200 a month...14,400 a year in benefits....if you paid half the max witholding....you paid in about 3 grand..14,400 minus 3 grand...you do the math...yeah, he will come out way ahead.
    $300/mo. at 4% return over 35 years =$275,000 dollars and it is all your money. Seems like a hard concept for you to understand, forced contribution, actual earned interest=personal retirement income that liberals believe should be given to someone else.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    $300/mo. at 4% return over 35 years =$275,000 dollars and it is all your money. Seems like a hard concept for you to understand, forced contribution, actual earned interest=personal retirement income that liberals believe should be given to someone else.
    not the point...i'm ok with you getting your principal back, heck i'd even say take the 1% or whatever interest your contribution would have earned from government securities....but after that, if you were true to your principals, true to your core values, you would quit recieving further payments...and this still doesnt address your using medicare....healthcare is your responsibility, not the governments, remember saying that?

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