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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    yes , i do have a 401k, and hope to get money out someday....conservative has always railed against what he considers to be socialist/liberal 'entitlement' programs....i asked him if he would be willing to refuse further payments from social security, and to remove himself from his medicare plan...i've tied this into what is his proclaimed view of 'personal responsibiltiy', which ties into this thread, in that he views health care as a personal responsibility. if healthcare is a personal responsibility in his view, why is he on medicare? he has stated before that he would like to do away with social security, so....why is he on it? seems a bit hypocritical to me.
    You signify the difference between a liberal in a conservative in that you believe one should be FORCED to contribute into a SS fund for 35 years and then refuse payment when it is time to receive benefits. That says a lot about you and your ideology.

    I am "on" Social Security because I was forced to be on it.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    You signify the difference between a liberal in a conservative in that you believe one should be FORCED to contribute into a SS fund for 35 years and then refuse payment when it is time to receive benefits. That says a lot about you and your ideology.

    I am "on" Social Security because I was forced to be on it.
    nobody is forcing you to STAY on it....you are doing that by choice, and in the long run, will draw out more than you ever put in .....hmmmm....seems you feel 'entitled'....wait...i thought that went against your core beliefs? a man who has railed against the benefits, now feeling 'entitled' to them....hmmmm....if you were truly a man who believed in what he has been preaching, you would refuse social security and medicare outright, after all, it is your 'personal responsibility' to provide for yourself. right?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nobody is forcing you to STAY on it....you are doing that by choice, and in the long run, will draw out more than you ever put in .....hmmmm....seems you feel 'entitled'....wait...i thought that went against your core beliefs? a man who has railed against the benefits, now feeling 'entitled' to them....hmmmm....if you were truly a man who believed in what he has been preaching, you would refuse social security and medicare outright, after all, it is your 'personal responsibility' to provide for yourself. right?
    No one forced me to contribute to SS? Interesting. Your argument isn't worth the space. Anyone that doesn't believe they are entitled to THEIR money back isn't worth the effort. why is it you expect to get your money back from your 401K but not from SS? You think it is your obligation to contribute your money for 35 years and get nothing back?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    No one forced me to contribute to SS? Interesting. Your argument isn't worth the space. Anyone that doesn't believe they are entitled to THEIR money back isn't worth the effort. why is it you expect to get your money back from your 401K but not from SS? You think it is your obligation to contribute your money for 35 years and get nothing back?
    i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....
    No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.
    He'll never get it. He thinks hes actually onto something with this silly hypocritical argument. You'd probably be best off to just stop and let him think he won some huge point.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

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    No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.
    unless you terminate your benefits, you are no better than the 'welfare queens' or those who abuse unemployment compensation....you are willing to draw out more benefits than you ever put in....if you seriously 'need' those benefits, this cast alot of doubt in my mind, of everything you have ever claimed to be....hard to believe you ran a company with 'x' amount of employees, worth 'x' millions of dollars, and didnt manage to stash away quite a bit of pocket change....hmmmmm.... seems your views on those you see as being a 'drain' on society change when it comes to YOU.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....
    You need to stop making a fool of yourself, here is an investment calculator, put your monthly SS "investment" into this calculator from day one and keep it there for 35 years. Put in whatever return on investment you believe can be generated over 35 years and see how much you will have in 35 years. Compare that to what you will have in your SS account in 35 years.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    unless you terminate your benefits, you are no better than the 'welfare queens' or those who abuse unemployment compensation....you are willing to draw out more benefits than you ever put in....if you seriously 'need' those benefits, this cast alot of doubt in my mind, of everything you have ever claimed to be....hard to believe you ran a company with 'x' amount of employees, worth 'x' millions of dollars, and didnt manage to stash away quite a bit of pocket change....hmmmmm.... seems your views on those you see as being a 'drain' on society change when it comes to YOU.
    Really? You think it is wrong to invest into an account for 35 years and get nothing out of it when you retire or to get out of it what you would have made had you invested it yourself? No wonder you are in the position in life that I believe you are.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....

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