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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

Boo Radley said:
I don't accept that waviers are limited to friends, and I have stated people will always seek to side step a responsibility. That is an answer. You just don't like the answer and wanted something that fiot your biased belief system.

Now, do me the same curtesy.
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I don't believe anyone should be forced to buy anything they don't want and I think the Supreme Court will agree with me.

There, that's as good an answer as you provided me.
 
Gill said:
I don't believe anyone should be forced to buy anything they don't want and I think the Supreme Court will agree with me.

There, that's as good an answer as you provided me.
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You may be right, but you might not. Just remember, when the person who doesn't want to pay for insurance gets ill or injuried, you will be paying for them one way or another, just as you have been and are right now before any reform.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't accept that waviers are limited to friends, and I have stated people will always seek to side step a responsibility. That is an answer. You just don't like the answer and wanted something that fiot your biased belief system.

Now, do me the same curtesy.
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So many of the people arguing so fervently for Obamacare are the very same people that seem to want a waiver out of it......and that doesn't intrigue you just a bit?
 
Boo Radley said:
You may be right, but you might not. Just remember, when the person who doesn't want to pay for insurance gets ill or injuried, you will be paying for them one way or another, just as you have been and are right now before any reform.
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So your arguement is that under ObamaKare, nothing will change, right ??? We pay now and we'll pay later.

By the way, the list of waivers is over 725 and that's only though January. That covers almost 2.2 million people. Pretty soon, every single uninsured person in the country will be covered by a waiver except the poor fools that work for themselves.
 
Erod said:
So many of the people arguing so fervently for Obamacare are the very same people that seem to want a waiver out of it......and that doesn't intrigue you just a bit?
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Not much, as what you call Obama care isn't really what either he or they wanted. Instead it is a waterdown version frorced to by republican and tea party fear mongering and misinformation. So, while some of us recognize the need to actually make a step forward, few to none believe this shoudl be the end of the effort.
 
Gill said:
So your arguement is that under ObamaKare, nothing will change, right ??? We pay now and we'll pay later.

By the way, the list of waivers is over 725 and that's only though January. That covers almost 2.2 million people. Pretty soon, every single uninsured person in the country will be covered by a waiver except the poor fools that work for themselves.
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I might agrgue not enough will change, but with more people covered, there will be less of those being treated with no insurance, and less need for the hospital to pass on costs, and less need for insurance to raise premiums, which they had done forever, long before reform.

And the wavier is good reason to seek a single payer, or at least move further than we have so far.
 
Boo Radley said:
And the wavier is good reason to seek a single payer, or at least move further than we have so far.
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Good luck with that. The people don't like the monstrosity we got, much less single payer.
 
Consider the BS Flag thrown.

Repubs didn't have the Votes to force anybody to do anything...the Dems were/are cowards.

Boo Radley said:
Not much, as what you call Obama care isn't really what either he or they wanted. Instead it is a waterdown version frorced to by republican and tea party fear mongering and misinformation. So, while some of us recognize the need to actually make a step forward, few to none believe this shoudl be the end of the effort.
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today:

Despite their best efforts, tea party activists could not stop Congress from passing health reform last year.

Now, they're finding surprising success doing the next best thing: blocking the law’s implementation.

In South Carolina, tea party activists have been picking off Republican co-sponsors of a health exchange bill, getting even the committee chairman who would oversee the bill to turn against it.

A Montana legislator who ran on a tea party platform has successfully blocked multiple health exchange bills, persuading his colleagues to instead move forward with legislation that would specifically bar the state from setting up a marketplace.

And in Georgia, tea party protests forced Gov. Nathan Deal to shelve exchange legislation that the Legislature had worked on for months.
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Tea party finds success blocking reform - Sarah Kliff - POLITICO.com

and the stonewalling of the EXCHANGES is certainly not confined to south carolina, montana and georgia

no, it's coast to coast

because if WAIVERS are good enough for NEW YORK CITY...

LOL!
 
Amazed said:
Consider the BS Flag thrown.

Repubs didn't have the Votes to force anybody to do anything...the Dems were/are cowards.
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you do realize that isn't what I said? The forcing wasn't through votes, but through misinformation and fearmongering that led to lack of public support. Congress is especially subject to public outcry. It cost a lot to get this watered down version, and would ahve cost far more to do more.
 
Gill said:
Good luck with that. The people don't like the monstrosity we got, much less single payer.
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It would be far better than than what they have before and after the present reform.
 
but it's DEAD, silly

the president SHOT HIS WAD

grow up
 
Boo Radley said:
misinformation and fearmongering that led to lack of public support
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LOL!

the ny times, the boston globe, the wapo, bloomberg, the asa, the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE's official website, the home page of HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES...

fearmongerers, misinformers---LOL!

obviously NOT chair of the JOURNALISM dept
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

the ny times, the boston globe, the wapo, bloomberg, the asa, the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE's official website, the home page of HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES...

fearmongerers, misinformers---LOL!

obviously NOT chair of the JOURNALISM dept
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drugs are bad,ok.
 
tell it to i-wanna-waiver-weiner

the #1 health care progressive in the house says NEW YORK CITY CAN'T AFFORD OBAMACARE
 
;) You don't really want to get into the Health Care Debate with me.....you like every other Lefty have NO idea whats in it.


Boo Radley said:
you do realize that isn't what I said? The forcing wasn't through votes, but through misinformation and fearmongering that led to lack of public support. Congress is especially subject to public outcry. It cost a lot to get this watered down version, and would ahve cost far more to do more.
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Amazed said:
;) You don't really want to get into the Health Care Debate with me.....you like every other Lefty have NO idea whats in it.
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And you do? :roll: :coffeepap

Now, back to what you have before you. Just try sticking with that.
 
Amazed said:
you like every other Lefty have NO idea whats in it.
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the cbo, wapo, the globe, the times, the hill, bloomberg and hhs do

3/4 of a tril in new taxes

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients

Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isn’t Easy - NYTimes.com

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe
 
You aren't going to get either ;)

We don't want it.

Boo Radley said:
you do realize that isn't what I said? The forcing wasn't through votes, but through misinformation and fearmongering that led to lack of public support. Congress is especially subject to public outcry. It cost a lot to get this watered down version, and would ahve cost far more to do more.
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yesterday:

Health care lobbyists and advocates are bracing for six pages of the health care reform law to explode into a phonebook-sized federal regulation when the Department of Health and Human Services releases its long-delayed accountable care organization rule expected this week.

“What, you expected less than a thousand pages for legislation that only took a page and half?” a staffer with one of the current proto-ACOs asked.

The staffer exaggerated; the Affordable Care Act devoted about six pages, not one and a half, to the accountable care organizations — networks of hospitals and doctors that are supposed to drive down costs and improve care by sharing responsibility for patients. A senior administration official said the rule is not a thousand pages, but he declined to say how many pages it is.

How do you turn six pages of legislation into hundreds of pages of rules? You kind of have to, in order to settle all of the questions that hospitals and doctors want settled so they don’t get into trouble.

They have to know who can become an accountable care organization – a formula that could be different in different parts of the country – and how you’d know if the organization actually saved money. They’d need to know how to report what they’re doing. And they need to know how to join together without breaking the antitrust laws that are already on the books.

At one point, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services administrator Don Berwick had suggested the rules would be out by Jan. 15. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who had promised that the regulations would be out by the end of March, said last week that they’d be out “in the next couple weeks.”

The silence has left room for plenty of speculation. Several industry sources have told POLITICO that they’re expecting at least 1,000 pages of regulations to emerge from the process.
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1,000+ pages of health-care rules? - David Nather and J. Lester Feder - POLITICO.com

well, that sounds EFFICIENT

LOL!

and ahab obama promised his prime payfor for this pig would be from W-F-A

no wonder WEINER wants OUT
 
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