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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    And all of that doesn't change the fact that the mandate was a Republican idea...yaaawn...
    Did you see this post?

    Originally Posted by disneydude
    Yeah...you stick with the Great Republican idea to require everyone to buy insurance.....That's the dumbest part of the whole program.


    Try this link about whose idea it was, Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate : NPR

    A commitee hardly constitutes The Great Republican Idea,

    Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "


    In case you were wondering where your talking point came from.

    Just wondering why you keep going on with the same thing over and over..........

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Did you see this post?

    Originally Posted by disneydude
    Yeah...you stick with the Great Republican idea to require everyone to buy insurance.....That's the dumbest part of the whole program.


    Try this link about whose idea it was, Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate : NPR

    A commitee hardly constitutes The Great Republican Idea,

    Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s — when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system — "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "


    In case you were wondering where your talking point came from.

    Just wondering why you keep going on with the same thing over and over..........
    In the best case scenario - Republicans as far back as Nixon supported a mandate. Who did it first? We probably will never really know, but at least we know Republicans did support such a move and Democrats do now - so both have had their time with mandates. The difference is, a Conservative wouldn't like the mandate no matter which political party suggested it. Politically speaking if Republicans could get away with a mandate they probably would try. I'm just glad we have a few actual Conservatives in Congress --- whether or not that will make much of a difference - we'll have to see.

    iamitter provided the link meowmix didn't or wasn't able to, and it turned out to be right. HOW right? That's up to you to decide, but it's enough for me.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Every generation gets less socially liberal as they age. Your assumption that each generation gets more socially liberal is not really supported because more and more socially liberal things happen and therefore opens people up to more state control in coming generations.

    What I'm saying here, is if I'm socially liberal and so and so has already been done, its very clear to all that I will support something more socially liberal than what is in place. Government control and the people that support is in an avalanche. In order to keep working for social liberal goals its only logical that you have to get more and more in the same direction.
    I completely understand where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say they get less socially liberal themselves, just relative to everyone else. ie. My views on social issues today will doubtfully change, but there may arise new ones I don't support, which would make me more "conservative", but wouldn't actually change my views.

    I don't know if I'd fit into this mantra though because I just don't support any government regulation of personal lives, regardless of what other people think about it.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    In the best case scenario - Republicans as far back as Nixon supported a mandate. Who did it first? We probably will never really know, but at least we know Republicans did support such a move and Democrats do now - so both have had their time with mandates. The difference is, a Conservative wouldn't like the mandate no matter which political party suggested it. Politically speaking if Republicans could get away with a mandate they probably would try. I'm just glad we have a few actual Conservatives in Congress --- whether or not that will make much of a difference - we'll have to see.

    iamitter provided the link meowmix didn't or wasn't able to, and it turned out to be right. HOW right? That's up to you to decide, but it's enough for me.
    "Brown, whose election to replace the late Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy almost led to the collapse of Obama's plan, said his opposition to the new law is over tax increases, Medicare cuts and federal overreach on a matter that should be left up to states. Not so much the requirement, which he voted for as a state lawmaker."

    from that article.

    I wonder how many other people in congress share his opinion?

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ya. Seriously.

    You apparently do not quite understand the concept of "evidence". You writing someting and attributing it to someone is not evidence... and I'm sorry but, you're way to new to this board for me to take you word on anything.



    Show me the source pal, or zip-it with the "it was a Republican idea" nonsense.
    Man, you are too much. Even by fright-wing standards you take the cake. You apparently do not understand what evidence is. It's not an opinion. It's fact. I posted NUMEROUS fact-based articles where even REPUBLICANS (including one of the Republican architects of the mandate) are quoted admitting that the mandate was a Republican idea. That's called proof. Do you get it yet? I have already shown all the evidence that a normal person would need. Unless you can prove wrong the articles that I cited, zip it yourself. You are completely wrong and you know it. You ought to be embarrassed. Hell, at this point I'm embarrassed for you.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    According to some newbie named Sgt Meowenstein on the internet...

    Ok. I'm bored already.
    I was bored with you long ago.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Man, you are too much. Even by fright-wing standards you take the cake. You apparently do not understand what evidence is. It's not an opinion. It's fact. I posted NUMEROUS fact-based articles where even REPUBLICANS (including one of the Republican architects of the mandate) are quoted admitting that the mandate was a Republican idea. That's called proof. Do you get it yet? I have already shown all the evidence that a normal person would need. Unless you can prove wrong the articles that I cited, zip it yourself. You are completely wrong and you know it. You ought to be embarrassed. Hell, at this point I'm embarrassed for you.
    I gave him a source he didn't dispute. What he was asking for honestly wasn't that difficult to find. Maybe 30 seconds on google.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Beautiful. This at least provides a starting point - now I can go back and look at alternatives to Hillary Care and what arguments Republicans gave at that time. And for the record: The Mandate was a Republican idea.
    Yeah, no **** sherlock. I cited numerous articles proving exactly that. But you continued to say that I didn't prove anything. But now that you see one from Fox, you finally admit that the mandate was in fact a Republican idea. Typical conservative.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I gave him a source he didn't dispute. What he was asking for honestly wasn't that difficult to find. Maybe 30 seconds on google.
    I gave him no less than 5 different sources. He tried disputing every one of them. I even provided one that had a quote from one of the Republicans who came up with the idea of the mandate. He still said I didn't prove it. I guess after getting it hammered into his skull over and over, he finally got a half of a clue.


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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    er costs increase:

    ER visits, costs climb - The Boston Globe

    doctors refuse new medicare patients:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/bu.../02health.html

    the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

    Senate passes doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

    another quarter T double counted:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    live it, libs, love it

    it's all YOURS

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