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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    I'm pointing at the real agurment at hand is not that the law covers those people but does congress have the power to do so. So far the court rulings that the Federal Government is appealing to the Supreme Court says "No you don't have the power".
    The suit is not about who will be covered; it's about whether or not the mandate is constitutional. So far, two court rulings have sided with Democrats; two with Republicans. It will be up to the SCOTUS to decide.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    The suit is not about who will be covered; it's about whether or not the mandate is constitutional. So far, two court rulings have sided with Democrats; two with Republicans. It will be up to the SCOTUS to decide.
    Didn't read the ruling, I see. Be careful what you wish for, if the govt. can mandate insurance what else can they mandate?

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No it's not. Those numbers included ALL health care spending in all countries...public AND private. In the US, it's mostly private with a little bit of public. In many European countries, it's mostly public with a little bit of private. The TOTAL expenditures on health care are far higher here than in any other OECD country.

    If we had a public option and it increased the average tax bill by, say, $1,000 while reducing the average premium by $1,500, I'd call that a reduction in costs.



    Most other OECD countries have shown that you can give everyone access, reduce total costs, and have no worse health outcomes than we do here. Sounds like they have something we might learn from, but instead your idea of "real reform" is to move in the OPPOSITE direction of all these success stories.
    Cost is not the only important factor.
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    and my point is that bringing up whose idea it was, is a rather dumb argument. Do you really expect someone that just discovered that it was a republican idea will all of a sudden change their opinion and say "oh, it's ok now. Do you think that is what the SC will base their decision on? It's an unconstituional power grab. Whether it originated with repulibcans or not, doesn't matter at all.
    I realize that the decision will not be based upon who's idea the mandate originally was. I never claimed otherwise. You, like many others, are putting words in my mouth. I was simply debunking someone's claim that the mandate was not originally a Republican idea. Are we clear now?


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Didn't read the ruling, I see. Be careful what you wish for, if the govt. can mandate insurance what else can they mandate?
    Don't understand my post, I see. Again, the suit is not about who is covered, it's about whether or not mandating that people buy insurance is constitutional.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    therefore, expecting dem senators to put their careers on the line for the po is mere whistling

    in contrast, raunchily realistic is the expectation that folks like mccaskill, webb, manchin, tester, both nelsons and a half dozen others are gonna be squeezed TODAY by their defense of the mandate

    Dems up for reelection under pressure to nix healthcare mandate - TheHill.com

    even a pal as progressive as howard dean says he expects the mandate to fall

    and without the mandate...

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interesting how you cherrypicked the articles as mandates have never been a Republican Idea unless the quotes represent ALL Republicans. We know that Romney supported the mandate and that is going to be an albatross as the results matter a lot more than the rhetoric.

    I asked you a question, why the passion for a public option? Where are there examples of the public option lowering costs, improving quality, and increasing the number of doctors? Is that what you really want in this country?
    Interesting how you keep denying the FACT that the mandate was originally a Republican idea. Why are you arguing this point? It's common knowledge. You have been shown the proof over and over, yet you continue to deny it.

    Why the passion for the public option? Because it will lower premiums by giving competition to insurers. I don't agree with you that it will have a negative impact on peoples' lives. Yes, it's really what I want in this country.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Don't understand my post, I see. Again, the suit is not about who is covered, it's about whether or not mandating that people buy insurance is constitutional.
    And that is the point, explain to me why it is Constitutional for the Federal Govt. to mandate that you or anyone else have health insurance? By the way I am still waiting for you to break down the "50 million" uninsured people that are uninsured and tell us what part of that cannot actually afford insurance?

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Why the passion for the public option? Because it will lower premiums by giving competition to insurers. Yes, it's really what I want in this country.
    good for you, i guess

    but you're more than 20 senators short

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Interesting how you keep denying the FACT that the mandate was originally a Republican idea. Why are you arguing this point? It's common knowledge. You have been shown the proof over and over, yet you continue to deny it.

    Why the passion for the public option? Because it will lower premiums by giving competition to insurers. I don't agree with you that it will have a negative impact on peoples' lives. Yes, it's really what I want in this country.
    I don't care whose idea it was, I am against a mandate and you don't seem to understand why? I don't buy your argument that it was a "Republican" idea as I know of no one that speaks for all Republicans.

    I asked you where the public option has lowered premiums anywhere else in the world? because you believe it doesn't make it true. The Federal Govt. by its nature is bloated and filled with waste, fraud, and abuse. What you really want apparently is someone to pay for your insurance, where do you want me to send the check?

    Still waiting for the breakdown of your 50 million unemployed number? How many truly cannot afford healthcare insurance?

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