Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

j-mac · Feb 8, 2011

Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

randel said:
again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.

OMG, Read man. He, I, and others have already posted that if you are saying that those funds already taken were to be given back and we the people allowed to control them ourselves, that wouldn't be a problem. Did you not see that?

j-mac

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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j-mac said:
OMG, Read man. He, I, and others have already posted that if you are saying that those funds already taken were to be given back and we the people allowed to control them ourselves, that wouldn't be a problem. Did you not see that?

j-mac

shouldnt matter...if he was true to his beliefs, he would have nothing to do it.

j-mac · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
shouldnt matter...if he was true to his beliefs, he would have nothing to do it.

What do you mean "shouldn't matter".... I don't know about you, but I am not in the habit of throwing money away. If you are saying that the government does a better job than I could at managing my retirement, and health care, but refuse to let me do so, then who is the real hypocrite here? You laid out a very simple proposition in that why those of us who are for personal responsibility over government control don't simply do that. I answered I think fairly that that would be fine, give me MY money back and I will. But that isn't good enough for you. You want me to start now, and give up my 30 years of forced contribution and just what? Write it off? Well nuts to that, give me MY money back.

j-mac

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
again, not being true to your professed beliefs...i never told you you couldnt have your money back, i just said its hypocritical on your part to get back more than you put in, and that you should refuse further payments/benefits after you got your principal plus 1% or whatever the government securities that social security is put into. if you really believed everything you spouted, you would do this.

You assume that I am going to get more back than I put in, what makes you say that? How do you know what I put in and what I would have done with that money were I given the chance? Like all liberals you think you know more than you actually know. Give me my money back and let me invest it, it would then be the property of my family and not the property of the government.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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j-mac said:
What do you mean "shouldn't matter".... I don't know about you, but I am not in the habit of throwing money away. If you are saying that the government does a better job than I could at managing my retirement, and health care, but refuse to let me do so, then who is the real hypocrite here? You laid out a very simple proposition in that why those of us who are for personal responsibility over government control don't simply do that. I answered I think fairly that that would be fine, give me MY money back and I will. But that isn't good enough for you. You want me to start now, and give up my 30 years of forced contribution and just what? Write it off? Well nuts to that, give me MY money back.

j-mac

i'd be ok with giving you your principal plus 1% back, no more....what happened to all this talk of 'personal responsibility'? you shouldnt be depending on the government to give you anything back right? government is evil, right?

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
shouldnt matter...if he was true to his beliefs, he would have nothing to do it.

Spoken like a true cult follower of the Obama Administration. Let's redistribute the wealth!

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
You assume that I am going to get more back than I put in, what makes you say that? How do you know what I put in and what I would have done with that money were I given the chance? Like all liberals you think you know more than you actually know. Give me my money back and let me invest it, it would then be the property of my family and not the property of the government.

done provided a link...you will get back in the neighborhood of 3-4 times what you put in each year you draw it.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
Spoken like a true cult follower of the Obama Administration. Let's redistribute the wealth!

hmmm...holding you to your own beliefs makes me a cult follower.......hmmmmm

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
i'd be ok with giving you your principal plus 1% back, no more....what happened to all this talk of 'personal responsibility'? you shouldnt be depending on the government to give you anything back right? government is evil, right?

Wow! A true Obama supporter! The govt. giving us anything back? Guess we all should be grateful to get any of OUR money back.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
done provided a link...you will get back in the neighborhood of 3-4 times what you put in each year you draw it.

You posted the link and I put 300/month for 35 years into perspective. Of course you ignored that plus you ignored that my average contribution was much higher than 300/month. I doubt that I get what I contributed with 4% annualized interest rate and 4% is low.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
Wow! A true Obama supporter! The govt. giving us anything back? Guess we all should be grateful to get any of OUR money back.

boy , that went right over your head.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
boy , that went right over your head.

I suggest that you stop posting while way behind. You are sounding absolutely foolish.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
I suggest that you stop posting while way behind. You are sounding absolutely foolish.

i'm so far ahead of you, perhaps i should slow down and let you catch up for a bit...all you are doing is spinning your wheels...i've nailed you to a wall, and you can't figure out how to get yourself down......principles/core beliefs are a nice thing, 'till someone catches you not abiding by them.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
i'm so far ahead of you, perhaps i should slow down and let you catch up for a bit...all you are doing is spinning your wheels...i've nailed you to a wall, and you can't figure out how to get yourself down......principles/core beliefs are a nice thing, 'till someone catches you not abiding by them.

Let me make a suggestion to you that you do some research on what principles and core beliefs are and how they relate to your own personal income. You seem to be unable to grasp that concept.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
Let me make a suggestion to you that you do some research on what principles and core beliefs are and how they relate to your own personal income. You seem to be unable to grasp that concept.

you don't seem to understand that you arent practicing what you preach....i find that amusing to no end.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
you don't seem to understand that you arent practicing what you preach....i find that amusing to no end.

I don't think you understand the concept of personal responsibility. Being forced to pay into a SS and Medicare Fund affects personal responsibility by taking money away from individual choice. In your example giving the govt. $300 per month and more for Medicare takes away money that could be used to take your own personal responsibility. At the end of 35 years at 4% interest that is over 275,000 dollars that someone that accepts personal responsibility didn't have over that period of time. Now you say it is ok to get back what you put in with a 1% return over 35 years for allowing the govt. to use that money. How benevolent of you! Apparently you don't have a problem giving your money to the govt. interest free and allowing them to use it which is what they do with SS money. Apparently then it isn't personal responsibility to expect a return on that money and getting more than you put in back? that is liberalism and defines why we have such a divide today.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
I don't think you understand the concept of personal responsibility. Being forced to pay into a SS and Medicare Fund affects personal responsibility by taking money away from individual choice. In your example giving the govt. $300 per month and more for Medicare takes away money that could be used to take your own personal responsibility. At the end of 35 years at 4% interest that is over 275,000 dollars that someone that accepts personal responsibility didn't have over that period of time. Now you say it is ok to get back what you put in with a 1% return over 35 years for allowing the govt. to use that money. How benevolent of you! Apparently you don't have a problem giving your money to the govt. interest free and allowing them to use it which is what they do with SS money. Apparently then it isn't personal responsibility to expect a return on that money and getting more than you put in back? that is liberalism and defines why we have such a divide today.

the way you have pissed, beyatched, and moaned about government programs, and your personal views on those that use them, plus those 'core values' and all that professed 'personal responsibility' you have, i find it really amusing that you make use of some of the same programs. do as i say, not as i do, seems to be your mantra. but anyhoo, i've proven my point, or more accurately, you have proven it for me.

buck · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
i find that amusing to no end.

I find it amusing that you actualyl think you have some great point and are winning this conversation. I keep checking in to find out what your next silly statement will be.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
the way you have pissed, beyatched, and moaned about government programs, and your personal views on those that use them, plus those 'core values' and all that professed 'personal responsibility' you have, i find it really amusing that you make use of some of the same programs. do as i say, not as i do, seems to be your mantra. but anyhoo, i've proven my point, or more accurately, you have proven it for me.

Two different subjects but then again you appear to be too hard headed to understand it. Forced contribution takes away personal responsibility and choice.

randel · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
Two different subjects but then again you appear to be too hard headed to understand it. Forced contribution takes away personal responsibility and choice.

nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.

Conservative · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.

I am doing just that, sticking to my values and accepting personal responsibility. Thanks for your concern. Forced to give money to the govt. for 35 years gave that govt. an interest free loan and now according to you it is a violation of values to expect to get that money back with interest. Says a lot about you.

Ockham · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
nah, if you were as successful as you claim, you shouldnt have had a problem sticking to those values and 'personal responsibility'.

I gotta tell ya, I'm not following your argument here.

j-mac · Feb 8, 2011

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randel said:
i'd be ok with giving you your principal plus 1% back, no more....what happened to all this talk of 'personal responsibility'?

It's all good man, just get the government to give back what they took, and I can assure you that I will fare better than the same person my age that depends on Uncle Sugar to provide.

you shouldnt be depending on the government to give you anything back right? government is evil, right?

Who said I want to. See your problem is, that I agree to your principle plus 1% thingy, however that would never happen, the government would never do it.

Now what?

j-mac

ricksfolly · Feb 8, 2011

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Conservative said:
Good for you, did you send back to the govt. that which is over what you contributed and if not why not?

Nope... It's my only source of income and it barely covers all my expenses. You'll find that 90 percent of the other older people who get monthly checks also barely get along.

There's sixty million people out there getting monthly checks from SS, 20 percent of the population, all because Roosevelt had the foresight to see into the future.

ricksfolly

The Prof · Feb 8, 2011

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how ya gonna implement obamacare without funding?

House to vote next week to block health funds | Reuters

and how ya gonna get the resolutions without boehner?

try to see moves ahead

meanwhile, we'll all meet up in the courts, the capitols, the committees, the congress

cheers!

Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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